Another airport taser death

[MANGO!]

Man died after 4 Taser jolts, witness alleges
www.cbc.ca (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/10/15/taser-death.html)

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/bc/ondemand/video/PHONEtaser3.wmv

An eyewitness with cellphone footage spoke out Monday night about what she allegedly saw at the Vancouver International Airport when a man was subdued with Tasers by RCMP and later died.

The RCMP's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team has identified the man as 40-year-old Robert Dziekanski of Pieszyce, Poland, who arrived at the airport mid-afternoon on Saturday.

Sima Ashrafinia, who recorded the incident at the airport on her cellphone, told CBC News that RCMP officers stunned Dziekanski four times and handcuffed him after he fell on the floor.

"The third and fourth ones were at the same time," she alleges. "The officer at his right and the officer at his left, they Tasered him at the same time and he fell down on his right.

"As he fell down, four or five officers gathered around him and handcuffed him while he was on the floor."

[MANGO!]

Cause of death in Taser incident still a mystery
Updated Tue. Oct. 16 2007 9:30 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071016/taser_071016/20071016?hub=CTVNewsAt11)

B.C.'s Coroner Service said it was unable to confirm a cause of death for the Polish man who died at the Vancouver International Airport on Sunday after RCMP used a stun gun to subdue him. The deceased was identified as Robert Dziekanski, 40, of Pieszyce, Poland.

There was no trauma, disease or any other obvious cause of death for Dziekanski, said assistant-deputy chief coroner Jeff Dolan. Toxicology or microscopic examination may determine why he died, Dolan said.

An Integrated Homicide Investigation Team release says Dziekanski arrived from Poland on Saturday afternoon and was planning to live with his family in B.C. RCMP Sergeant Pierre Lemaitre says police were called by airport security when the man began throwing chairs, pounding glass walls and acting irrational, despite orders to calm down.

A witness who used her cellphone camera to film Dziekanski being subdued and Tasered described him as shaking, sweating and "shouting back" at police. Sima Ashrafinia said that Dziekanski smelled of alcohol.

Dziekanski had been travelling and waiting at airports for at least 24 hours: Early Saturday, he took a five-hour bus ride from Poland to Frankfurt. He would have arrived two hours ahead of his plane from Frankfurt to Vancouver, which is typically an 11-hour flight. But it was late arriving to Vancouver, adding another two hours to the trip.

The flight finally arrived at the Vancouver International Airport at about 3:30 on Saturday afternoon. As a new immigrant, it took a long time to process Dziekanski.

His mother gave up waiting and returned home to Kamloops at 10 p.m. on Saturday night. Canada Border Services won't say how long he was in Customs and Immigrations and it's unknown how long he may have been wandering around the airport, trying to find his way out to the public meeting area. But he was still at the airport well after midnight.

"I just heard shouting 'Politzia," Ashrafinia told CTV British Columbia. "He was asking for police, he was shouting out of frustration," she added. Canada Border Services offers translation services but there are fewer airport personnel around after midnight and little multilingual signage.

RCMP arrived shortly after 1:30 a.m. and Dziekanski was dead within minutes.

The RCMP has said it does not believe the man's death was related to the Taser, and that the man was shocked twice. The incident is being investigated by the RCMP's civilian oversight body.

[The Exorcist]

Maybe the dude should finally buy a damn wire for his phone so he can upload it to his computer

[bociek]

What possible excuse do they have for electrocuting the man when there are at least 4 or 5 of them and the man is unarmed?

[Jake Featherston]

The RCMP has said it does not believe the man's death was related to the Taser, and that the man was shocked twice. The incident is being investigated by the RCMP's civilian oversight body.

They taser him. He immediately dies. But that's just a coincidence. It wasn't fucking outright murder or anything. Oh no.

[bociek]

They taser him. He immediately dies. But that's just a coincidence. It wasn't fucking outright murder or anything. Oh no.

They say he died on the way to the hospital, yup, definitely natural causes.

[Jaybird]

What possible excuse do they have for electrocuting the man when there are at least 4 or 5 of them and the man is unarmed?
Hey, it's non-lethal force right?

I'm thinking we might need a separate forum dedicated just to taserings.

[The Exorcist]

Hey, it's non-lethal force right?

I'm thinking we might need a separate forum dedicated just to taserings.

I'm game

[Jaybird]

They do it on the Walton & Johnson Show. How would we go about doing it? I wish this were like Original Dissent where the sub-forums all showed up on the main page.

[rust never sleeps]

What possible excuse do they have for electrocuting the man when there are at least 4 or 5 of them and the man is unarmed?

They have zero excuse. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Anyone fit to wear a kwap uniform should easily be able to be restrain and cuff anyone two to one minus any weapons (including the use of tasers), unless maybe the suspect has weapons of their own or is in some sort of severe drug induced fugue.

If they don't have the physical prowess or courage to do so, they shouldn't be cops/security officers in the first place. Even a taser should be used as a last resort.

[SteamshipTime]

If they don't have the physical prowess or courage to do so, they shouldn't be cops/security officers in the first place. Even a taser should be used as a last resort.

Here's what happened: the minimum height/weight requirements automatically sidelined da wimmens, so they were struck down as discriminatory. Now you got a bunch of punkass little terriers with chips on their shoulders.

[rust never sleeps]

Here's what happened: the minimum height/weight requirements automatically sidelined da wimmens, so they were struck down as discriminatory. Now you got a bunch of punkass little terriers with chips on their shoulders.

True, that did open the doors up for substandard candidates getting in. So now they're using tasers to compensate. And there is also definitely the punkass, control freak, easy to anger factor involved as you've pointed out.

Besides, it's patently ridiculous that women simply must have the opportunity to be street cops or security officers, in order to make everything fair. In my early twenties, I used to be an ass't mgr at a fitness club and worked out regularly. I also had the advantages of being naturally strong (for a woman), and being surrounded by a good group of serious lifters that told me to eat right, concentrate on the basic lifts, and to forget the "toning"/high reps and put some weight on the bar. Even after all that work, just about any skinny teenaged male or out of shape old guy could walk in off the street and easily outlift me.

[bociek]

Well, would you look at that...

Tasered man's cause of death not determined in autopsy (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/16/bc-taser.html)

...couldn't have been a zillion volts going through his body.

[Jaybird]

Tasers are a non-lethal use of force.

[bociek]

Tasers are a non-lethal use of force.

I'd say they're more lethal than a punch in the face.

[bociek]

Here are the videos (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=99f7a932-9efc-4f8d-9732-0157651dd532&k=32890#)

Worked only in IE for me.

He's swearing, confused, and seems threatened by the people and/or staff at the airport. When he sees the police he actually calls out to them...for help, it seems.

[The Exorcist]

Here are the videos (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=99f7a932-9efc-4f8d-9732-0157651dd532&k=32890#)

Worked only in IE for me.

He's swearing, confused, and seems threatened by the people and/or staff at the airport. When he sees the police he actually calls out to them...for help, it seems.

Then he gets tasered to death. I wonder if the U.S. will ever catch on in investigating taser activities, but we seem too good at covering them up at the moment.

[Zed]

The Mounties always get their man!

[Ron Hitler-Barassi]

Well, would you look at that...

Tasered man's cause of death not determined in autopsy (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/16/bc-taser.html)

...couldn't have been a zillion volts going through his body.

Reminds me of this....
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I have to admit that it seems to me that the Police basically murdered that Polish bloke. Law Enforcement types really seem to be growing bolder and bolder in fucking people up for little or no reason, pretty much like thugs, just remains to be seen how long until such trained thugs are pointed at Political dissidents or people guilty of Heresy aka Thought Crime.

Check out this for a completely fucked in the head abuse of force...


I WAS SHOT TWICE WITH TASER WHILE I WAS IN A COMA
Friday November 16,2007
By Paul Jeeves

link (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/25329/I-was-shot-twice-with-Taser-while-I-was-in-a-coma)
A Businessman told yesterday how police shot him twice with a stun gun while he was in a diabetic coma.

But he revealed that no action has been taken against the officers over the incident which happened just a week before the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes.

The police opened fire with the electronic weapon after they found Nicholas Gaubert unconscious on the top deck of a bus and feared he was a suicide bomber.

Although smartly dressed, he was carrying a black rucksack when he suffered a fit travelling home from work.

Alarmed by the rucksack, the bus driver called police when he found Mr Gaubert collapsed in his seat at the end of his route.

An armed unit swooped and two officers raced on to the bus in Leeds. One then held a rifle to Mr Gaubert’s head, the other shouted instructions at him.

When seriously ill Mr Gaubert failed to respond, he was shot twice with a Taser gun before being hauled off the bus in handcuffs and bundled into a police van.

Mr Gaubert, 34, who is white, claims his terrifying experience bears a chilling similarity to the death of Mr de Menezes on the London Underground.

But he says he was shocked when the Crown Prosecution Service decided to take no action against the officers.

Mr Gaubert, a bistro owner, said: “Every time I think about that day it sends a shiver down my spine. There were two policemen, one with a Taser and the other had a rifle pressed against my temple.

“In a way I’m glad they decided to use the Taser.

“I don’t remember anything about being on the bus, I just remember waking up in the back of a van and I could hear people talking. I thought I’d been kidnapped. I shudder when I think what could have happened if I hadn’t come round. They would have thrown me into a cell and I would have probably died.”

Now Mr Gaubert is considering mounting his own legal action over the incident in July 2005, which is being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

The commission said in a statement: “The CPS returned its initial decision in February 2007 stating that no officers should be charged with any criminal offences.

“Consideration was then given by the CPS as to whether any offences had been committed under health and safety law.

“A decision was received recently to advise that no charges would be brought under this legislation.

“The IPCC must determine whether any disciplinary matters need to be considered.

“Initial recommendations put forward by the police forces involved have not been agreed by the IPCC and discussions are ongoing.”

[Zed]

Holy Shit! WTF is wrong with those idiots? :eek:

[The Exorcist]

Check out this for a completely fucked in the head abuse of force...

I WAS SHOT TWICE WITH TASER WHILE I WAS IN A COMA
Friday November 16,2007
By Paul Jeeves

link
A Businessman told yesterday how police shot him twice with a stun gun while he was in a diabetic coma.

But he revealed that no action has been taken against the officers over the incident which happened just a week before the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes.

The police opened fire with the electronic weapon after they found Nicholas Gaubert unconscious on the top deck of a bus and feared he was a suicide bomber.

Although smartly dressed, he was carrying a black rucksack when he suffered a fit travelling home from work.

Alarmed by the rucksack, the bus driver called police when he found Mr Gaubert collapsed in his seat at the end of his route.

An armed unit swooped and two officers raced on to the bus in Leeds. One then held a rifle to Mr Gaubert’s head, the other shouted instructions at him.

When seriously ill Mr Gaubert failed to respond, he was shot twice with a Taser gun before being hauled off the bus in handcuffs and bundled into a police van.

Mr Gaubert, 34, who is white, claims his terrifying experience bears a chilling similarity to the death of Mr de Menezes on the London Underground.

But he says he was shocked when the Crown Prosecution Service decided to take no action against the officers.

Mr Gaubert, a bistro owner, said: “Every time I think about that day it sends a shiver down my spine. There were two policemen, one with a Taser and the other had a rifle pressed against my temple.

“In a way I’m glad they decided to use the Taser.

“I don’t remember anything about being on the bus, I just remember waking up in the back of a van and I could hear people talking. I thought I’d been kidnapped. I shudder when I think what could have happened if I hadn’t come round. They would have thrown me into a cell and I would have probably died.”

Now Mr Gaubert is considering mounting his own legal action over the incident in July 2005, which is being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

The commission said in a statement: “The CPS returned its initial decision in February 2007 stating that no officers should be charged with any criminal offences.

“Consideration was then given by the CPS as to whether any offences had been committed under health and safety law.

“A decision was received recently to advise that no charges would be brought under this legislation.

“The IPCC must determine whether any disciplinary matters need to be considered.

“Initial recommendations put forward by the police forces involved have not been agreed by the IPCC and discussions are ongoing.”

Fucked