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tricknologist
05-28-2009, 03:42 AM
Mixed-race patients struggle to find marrow donors (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090527/ap_on_he_me/mixed_race_donors)

By JULIANA BARBASSA,
Wed May 27, 3:40 pm ET

HAYWARD, Calif. – If Nick Glasgow were white, he would have a nearly 90 percent chance of finding a matching bone marrow donor who could cure his leukemia.

But because the 28-year-old bodybuilder is one-quarter Japanese, his doctor warned him the outlook was grim. Glasgow's background would make it almost impossible to find a match, which usually comes from a patient's own ethnic group.

The doctor "didn't say it was slim-to-none. He didn't say it would be hard. He said 'zero chance,'" Glasgow's mother, Carole Wiegand, recalled with tears in her eyes. "When Nick heard that, it sent him plummeting."

At a time when the number of multiracial Americans is rising, only a tiny fraction of donors on the national bone-marrow registry are of mixed race. The National Marrow Donor Program is trying to change that by seeking more diverse donors for patients suffering from leukemia, lymphoma and other blood diseases.

"The truth is, when people of different backgrounds marry and produce offspring, it creates more types that are harder to match," said Michelle Setterholm, the program's director of scientific services. "The probability just gets lower when you have people of mixed ancestral DNA."

The number of people who identify themselves as multiracial in the United States has grown from 3.9 million in 2000, the first year the census included the category, to 5.2 million in 2008. Mixed-race people account for 1.6 percent of the U.S. population.

The donor program has been pushing for years to recruit more racial minorities and mixed-race donors. So far, multiracial volunteers make up just 3 percent of the 7 million people on the registry.

That is higher than the percentage of mixed-race people in the U.S. But there are so many possible racial and ethnic combinations that finding a match can still be extremely difficult.

The reason that mixed-heritage patients are so hard to match can be found in the immune system.

Populations in different parts of the world developed certain proteins, or markers, that are part of the body's natural defenses. These markers help the immune system determine which cells are foreign and should be rejected.

A match between two people who share many markers will reduce the risk of the donor and recipient cells attacking each other. Because certain markers tend to cluster in particular ethnic groups, matches are most often found among people of shared backgrounds. Multiracial patients often have uncommon profiles and a much harder time finding a donor.

About 6,000 patients in the U.S. are awaiting a bone marrow match.

Finding compatible organs for transplant is simpler. Organ matches rely essentially on blood type, which is not related to race.

Glasgow's grandfather, an Army soldier from South Carolina, fell in love while stationed in Japan after World War II and married across racial lines at a time when it was illegal to do so in many states.

From his Japanese grandmother, Glasgow got the almond shape of his eyes and cell markers that set him apart from most other whites. From his white grandparents, he got markers that set him apart from other Japanese.

Geary Moya's background — part Navajo, part Mexican — has kept his life on hold since 2005, when he was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Chemotherapy has put his cancer in remission, but a bone marrow transplant is his only hope for a cure.

"I can't work. I can't plan. I just don't know what tomorrow will hold for me," said Moya, a 51-year-old former manager of an appliance company.

He often visits bone marrow drives, where he tries to encourage prospective donors to sign up.

"If it's not for me, it'll help someone," he said last week as he stopped by a booth registering potential bone marrow donors at California State University in Hayward. "There's a whole list of people out there waiting for someone to come along."

Moya watched and answered questions as a trickle of students filled out forms with their health history and ethnic makeup before swabbing the inside of their cheeks to collect the genetic material that will be used to match them to waiting patients.

If a match is found, they will undergo a painful procedure in which doctors withdraw liquid marrow from the back of their pelvic bones.

Among those filling out donor forms was Abe Rindal, a retired engineer who heard through friends about Glasgow.

Rindal was born to a Norwegian-American father and Japanese mother who met in Japan after World War II. They started a family before interracial marriage bans were struck down by the Supreme Court in 1967. Rindal remembers meeting only two other people with similar ethnicity.

"It was socially unacceptable back then," he said.

The chance to help someone of similar ethnicity appealed to Rindal. He not only filled out his form and swabbed his cheeks, he also sent test kits to his four siblings and their children in the hope they might be a match for Glasgow.

At the hospital, Wiegand prays for her son. Her niece started a Facebook group that has collected upward of 1,000 members interested in helping. The Asian American Donor Program has been contacting Japanese-American organizations, and large corporations such as Cisco have reached out to their employees via e-mail.

If chemotherapy sends Glasgow's cancer into remission, he might have months to find a match. If not, he might have far less time.

"I just keep thinking, `Please, everyone, get into that database,'" his mother said. "I just know there's a match out there somewhere for him."

SteamshipTime
05-28-2009, 04:11 AM
DNA is inherently racist. The government should outlaw it.

tricknologist
05-28-2009, 04:15 AM
DNA is inherently racist. The government should outlaw it.

They've already shut down bone marrow registries for being too white (http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7961&highlight=bone+marrow+donors), so I guess that is the next logical step.

Johnson
05-28-2009, 04:22 AM
Aren't "studies" always being pushed about how mixed-race people are supposedly 'healthier' because their gene pool is expanded or some other nonsense?

The Green Man
05-28-2009, 06:58 AM
Aren't "studies" always being pushed about how mixed-race people are supposedly 'healthier' because their gene pool is expanded or some other nonsense?
Mixed race people have a lower incidence of genetic diseases that are caused by having two identical copies of certain genes (e.g. sickle cell anemia, tay sachs etc), for obvious reasons. It's swings and roundabouts most likely.

anunnaki
05-28-2009, 07:20 AM
6000 patients await bonemarrow in the US, that's 6000 of 300something million. Hardly a reason to not produce mixed-raced children.

It doesn't say how much genetic difference will cause a problem. Having mixed children myself, I'm interested in knowing if this problem follows the big racial divides or if it's intraracial/interethnic as well. Wog/white? Russian/Brit? Etc.

Edmonds Fitzgerald
05-28-2009, 07:36 AM
It doesn't say how much genetic difference will cause a problem. Having mixed children myself, I'm interested in knowing if this problem follows the big racial divides or if it's intraracial/interethnic as well. Wog/white? Russian/Brit? Etc.

Your children are doomed.

EinsatzGrenadier
05-28-2009, 08:12 AM
Your children are doomed.

Yeah, they're fucked.

I'm pleased to hear this. It's nature's way of correcting itself. Mixed blood peoples are not to live.

As for outbreeding as someone brought up, that I think can work when applied to single races. If you live in a small town, your offspring would benefit from breeding with someone from somewhere else because you're that much further from fucking a distant cousin.

White peoples of America are possibly the finest racial specimen, because we are all one race but from many corners of Europe. Unfortunately, being drowned out now in a sea of mud.

The Green Man
05-28-2009, 09:01 AM
Yeah, they're fucked.

I'm pleased to hear this. It's nature's way of correcting itself. Mixed blood peoples are not to live.

As for outbreeding as someone brought up, that I think can work when applied to single races. If you live in a small town, your offspring would benefit from breeding with someone from somewhere else because you're that much further from fucking a distant cousin.

White peoples of America are possibly the finest racial specimen, because we are all one race but from many corners of Europe. Unfortunately, being drowned out now in a sea of mud.
There's something called "cousin n", which is the optimal number of generations back you share a common ancestor. They did some study with wolves where the wolves can work out how closely they are related to a potential mate based on smell, too distant or too closely related and they won't mate with them.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/lhd4wq19a3ty7du6/
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1554/0014-3820(2002)056%5B0371%3AMCGIAO%5D2.0.CO%3B2?journal Code=evol

Birds do it based on plumage:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v273/n5664/abs/273659a0.html

I report here that male Japanese quail (Coturnix coturnix japonica) mate with slightly unfamiliar females in preference to females to which they were exposed in early life, and that both types of female are preferred to those with a grossly unfamiliar type of plumage.

"Optimal outbreeding" is a good buzzword-phrase to memorize for next time you hear the buzzwords "hybrid vigour".

EinsatzGrenadier
05-28-2009, 09:13 AM
There's something called "cousin n", which is the optimal number of generations back you share a common ancestor. They did some study with wolves where the wolves can work out how closely they are related to a potential mate based on spell, too distant or too closely related and they won't mate with them.

http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1554/0014-3820(2002)056%5B0371%3AMCGIAO%5D2.0.CO%3B2?journal Code=evol

Birds do it based on plumage:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v273/n5664/abs/273659a0.html

"Optimal outbreeding" is a good buzzword-phrase to memorize for next time you hear the buzzwords "hybrid vigour".

Wow, that's pretty awesome. Cool study.

anunnaki
05-28-2009, 12:37 PM
Your children are doomed.

My children are not in need of bonemarrow transplants, so I think we'll manage. :p

Mandalore
05-28-2009, 04:57 PM
My children are not in need of bonemarrow transplants, so I think we'll manage. :p


Realistically, your genetic differences probably aren't so great as you make it sound. Unless you have a genuine nigger in the woodpile you're not telling us about.:shock:

6KILLER
05-28-2009, 05:27 PM
Realistically, your genetic differences probably aren't so great as you make it sound. Unless you have a genuine nigger in the woodpile you're not telling us about.:shock:
Nookie is a Lurs and as such is close kin to the ancient Medes, they had a little Dravidian nigger from mixing with the ancient Elamites in their genetic woodpile and possibly a little Hun and mongol.

anunnaki
05-28-2009, 06:19 PM
It's all very ancient blood so I can live with that. :o

Anyway, it doesn't really matter if the genetic difference between my lousy Nordic husband and myself is very great, because these diseases aren't exactly common. My kids are more likely to die in a car crash (heaven forbid) than from lack of matching bonemarrow.

Marklar of the Marklars
05-28-2009, 06:53 PM
but wait a minute, i thought race didn't exist and we are all the same?

Xander de Buisonjé
05-28-2009, 09:02 PM
but wait a minute, i thought race didn't exist and we are all the same?

We are all the same, only blacks have larger penises, Asians are smarter and the jews were chosen by god

6KILLER
05-28-2009, 09:07 PM
We are all the same, only blacks have larger penises, Asians are smarter and the jews were chosen by god
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Johnson
05-28-2009, 09:50 PM
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6KILLER
05-28-2009, 09:54 PM
.A nigger is nothing more than a life support system for a cock and those pictures prove it. Jewson is envious.

Sam Crow
05-28-2009, 10:51 PM
It's all very ancient blood so I can live with that. :o

Anyway, it doesn't really matter if the genetic difference between my lousy Nordic husband and myself is very great, because these diseases aren't exactly common. My kids are more likely to die in a car crash (heaven forbid) than from lack of matching bonemarrow. Keep telling yourselve that and maybe you will start believing it.

bardamu
05-29-2009, 02:54 AM
I know an extremely mixed race guy and his wife also extremely mixed and they had a hell of time conceiving children, finally resorting to a fertility clinic. I wonder if the near sterility has anything to do with how mixed they are. We"re talking: Filipino, Salvadoran/White, Japanese, Chinese.

anunnaki
05-29-2009, 04:44 PM
Keep telling yourselve that and maybe you will start believing it.

To be frank, I don't tell myself anything concerning their racial makeup. When I log off SI this whole race question ceases to exist. It is of no concern to me in my everyday life.

anunnaki
05-29-2009, 04:49 PM
I know an extremely mixed race guy and his wife also extremely mixed and they had a hell of time conceiving children, finally resorting to a fertility clinic. I wonder if the near sterility has anything to do with how mixed they are. We"re talking: Filipino, Salvadoran/White, Japanese, Chinese.

What's their age?

They don't seem to be that extremely mixed. Aren't Filipino/Japanese/Chinese pretty much the same race anyway?

There is a growing problem of "older" women (35+) who need the help of IVF to start families. It's like these women believe they're fertile teenagers forever. "What? If I had started a family 10-15 years ago, I wouldn't have needed IVF? Whatever do you mean?"

I have a friend (both she and her boyfriend are ethnic Swedes) who tried for 1 ½ year to conceive. They were just about to turn to IVF when she finally got pregnant. She's "only" 33.

bardamu
05-29-2009, 05:02 PM
What's their age?

They don't seem to be that extremely mixed. Aren't Filipino/Japanese/Chinese pretty much the same race anyway?

There is a growing problem of "older" women (35+) who need the help of IVF to start families. It's like these women believe they're fertile teenagers forever. "What? If I had started a family 10-15 years ago, I wouldn't have needed IVF? Whatever do you mean?"

I have a friend (both she and her boyfriend are ethnic Swedes) who tried for 1 ½ year to conceive. They were just about to turn to IVF when she finally got pregnant. She's "only" 33.

They're young. Filipinos are Pacific Islanders. Japs and Chinese are from the same racial stock although somewhat diverged over time.

anunnaki
05-29-2009, 05:13 PM
They're young. Filipinos are Pacific Islanders. Japs and Chinese are from the same racial stock although somewhat diverged over time.

Meh, pretty much the same race anyway. Pacific Islanders are mostly Mongoloid, I believe.

It could be anything, from their racial makeup to pollution, added hormones and shit in our food to "birth defects".

bardamu
05-29-2009, 05:25 PM
Meh, pretty much the same race anyway. Pacific Islanders are mostly Mongoloid, I believe.

It could be anything, from their racial makeup to pollution, added hormones and shit in our food to "birth defects".

It is probably genetic, but still I can't help but think sometimes that mamzerism could be linked to lack of fertility do to the drift of genetics in sub species toward separate species which at some point leads to a lack of fertility, or sterile offspring.

6KILLER
05-29-2009, 05:34 PM
Meh, pretty much the same race anyway. Pacific Islanders are mostly Mongoloid, I believe.

It could be anything, from their racial makeup to pollution, added hormones and shit in our food to "birth defects".
Japanese are mixed theyir parent race originally migrated from Siberia, but they have Chinese, Alan, Mongol, and Korean in their racial tree.

EinsatzGrenadier
05-30-2009, 12:50 AM
Meh, pretty much the same race anyway. Pacific Islanders are mostly Mongoloid, I believe.

It could be anything, from their racial makeup to pollution, added hormones and shit in our food to "birth defects".

No, Japanese are a subrace of the Mongoloid group. The Jap is a much finer specimen. Filipinos often have Spanish admixture and sometimes are similar to Mexicans.


Oddly, Japanese are pretty similar to Finnish people. To say a Jap can be counted amongst the most unrefined Mongoloids, Pacific Islanders, is off the mark.

SteamshipTime
05-30-2009, 03:20 AM
To be frank, I don't tell myself anything concerning their racial makeup. When I log off SI this whole race question ceases to exist. It is of no concern to me in my everyday life.

You know, it truly would not matter to me either but for one group, that being negroes. They are just completely disruptive and dystopic.

I think Sweden just doesn't have experience with substantial numbers of low average IQ ethnics living among them.

Edmonds Fitzgerald
05-30-2009, 03:45 AM
You know, it truly would not matter to me either but for one group, that being negroes. They are just completely disruptive and dystopic.

Annunaki is just a wog but still relatively the same species that we are(assuming she's not part negro or mongol). So when it comes to race she's merely an afterthought, but we can't start breeding with the mongoloids. They'd consume us with their ant-like genetics.

O'Zebedee
05-30-2009, 04:02 AM
I like to use the word mamzer and the phrase "Genesis 3:15 hatred" in random parts of a conversation.

Like as in "I'm gonna totally mamzer that steak when it gets here," or "what's the mamzer on that?," or "hey, when that bus driver was scolding that kid a few minutes ago I detected a Genesis 3:15 hatred."

bardamu
05-30-2009, 04:08 AM
Genesis 3:15 (King James Version)

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

O'Zebedee
05-30-2009, 04:10 AM
What the mamzer are you trying to say?

bardamu
05-30-2009, 04:20 AM
I'm detecting a certain Proverbs 27:4 in this thread.

6KILLER
05-30-2009, 04:46 AM
I'm detecting a shit load of whiggerdumb.

rockstar135
08-13-2009, 05:59 PM
I know an extremely mixed race guy and his wife also extremely mixed and they had a hell of time conceiving children, finally resorting to a fertility clinic. I wonder if the near sterility has anything to do with how mixed they are. We"re talking: Filipino, Salvadoran/White, Japanese, Chinese.

You have GOT to be kidding.

In any case, like Annunaki implied, mixed race children are far more likely to die from choking or crossing the street than to not finding a bone marrow match.