We should have nuked the USSR

[Utopian]

Bertrand Russell was correct. We should have dropped an atomic bomb on Moscow before the Soviets built up their nuclear strength.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YR4_wjjYe5A

[The Exorcist]

Stalin had spies among some of the scientists in the Manhattan Project. Do you think that by nuking Moscow in '45 and subsequently as such would have permanently stopped the Soviets from getting hold of nukes?

[Phantasm]

Bertrand Russell was correct. We should have dropped an atomic bomb on Moscow before the Soviets built up their nuclear strength.
...

Don't be ridiculous...

WWII was unfortunate because it put Whites against Whites; White Americans were put against White Germans; White Germans were put against White Russians.

We should form a power alliance with Russia and stop allowing ourselves to be played off against our White Brothers and Sisters by the demagogues and special interests around the world.

If non Whites and Jews have a problem with certain White nations... that's their problem.

:cool:

[The Exorcist]

:bb:

[Pasdaran]

Bertrand Russell was correct. We should have dropped an atomic bomb on Moscow before the Soviets built up their nuclear strength.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YR4_wjjYe5A

Why would you want to see the USSR destroyed? If not for them you wouldn't have had those North Korean flags or that Kim Jong Il poster up on your bedroom wall. :confused:

[Utopian]

Why would you want to see the USSR destroyed?Because the institution of socialism has resulted in the dysgenic elimination of the propertied and aristocratic classes of Europe, and the USSR sought to expand that aristocidal system. Therefore, the USSR ought to have been destroyed in its infancy and by any means necessary.

If not for them you wouldn't have had those North Korean flags or that Kim Jong Il poster up on your bedroom wall. :confused:Indeed the world would have been much better had the USSR not existed.

[Pasdaran]

Indeed the world would have been much better had the USSR not existed.

But that would mean no Ix and his humorous North Korean Juche shenanigans on the phora. :disagree:

Clearly the USSR must've continued existing for North Korea and the Juche idea to develop. :agree:

[Utopian]

Everything factual I said about North Korea was based on years of research and I do not retract anything I said on that subject.

However, I am now in favour of dropping a nuclear bomb on Pyongyang and establishing US military bases in North Korea, not because Kim Jong Il oppresses his people, which is convenient lie, but because it will facilitate the containment of China. I support anything that helps the United States maintain its hegemon status in East Asia.

We also need to pit off China, South Korea and Japan so that these countries will not form a mutual alliance which would challenge US hegemony in the region.

[Fenian]

The leaders of the United States, under Jewish influence, made the USSR a superpower.

[Utopian]

False.

[Fenian]

ATOMIC MATERIALS
Beryllium metals 9,681 lbs. $ 10,874.
Cadmium alloys 72,535 lbs. 70,029.
Cadmium metals 834,989 lbs. 781,466.
Cobalt ore & concentrate 33,600 lbs. 49,782.
Cobalt metal & Cobalt bearing scrap 806,941 lbs. 1,190,774.
Uranium metal 2.2 lbs. ---
Aluminun tubes (for reactors) 13,766,472 lbs. 13,041,152.
Graphite, nat., flake, lump or chip 7,384,282 lbs. 812,437.
Beryllium salts & compounds 228 lbs. 775.
Cadmium oxide 2,100 lbs. 3,080.
Cadmium salts & compounds, n.e.s. * 2 lbs. 19.
Cadmium sulfate 2,170 lbs. 1,374.
Cadmium sulfide 16,823 lbs. 17,380.
Cobalt nitrate 51 lbs. 48.
Cobalt oxide 17,800 lbs. 34,832.
Cobalt salts & compounds, n.e.s. 11,475 lbs. 7,112.
Cobaltic and cobaltous sulfate 22 lbs. 25.
Deuterium oxide (heavy water) 1,100 grs. ---

* n.e.s. stands for "not especially specified".

Lend Lease to Russia (http://www.geocities.com/mark_willey/lend.html)

After the collapse of the Soviet system, Russian historians were able to look into the archival files and total up the real figures. One study, by M.N. Suprin, calculates the caloric content of Lend-Lease foodstuffs sent to the USSR, divides the total by the caloric needs of the Red Army and arrives at a stunning conclusion: "The foodstuffs provided by Lend-Lease to the USSR would have sufficed to feed an army of ten million men for 1,688 days, that is, for the course of the entire war." Another study, by Boris Sokolov, which translates as THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, estimates that the US supplied 92.7% of the USSR's railroad equipment, including locomotives and rails, and from 15% to 90% of production in all other categories. Weeks, who reads Russian, surveys these recent studies and cites them to show that Lend-Lease was indeed "Russia's Life-Saver."

Beyond the raw figures, Weeks also explains the politics and inner workings of Lend-Lease, which President Roosevelt called the US "arsenal of democracy." As a longtime expert on Soviet Russia, he is able to explore the special relationship that FDR thought he had with Stalin, to sort out the Soviet spies operating on US soil and to look into such interesting topics as Armand Hammer's role in US-USSR relations. As an engaging writer, he handles the historical material with a modern sensibility, raising the questions of "trusting and verifying" and "the gratitude factor." I particularly liked his chapter on the USS Liberty Ship John Barry, which was sunk in the Arabian Sea by a
Nazi U-boat in August 1944. Its cargo included trucks, jeeps, steel rails and other standard provisions, but also 750 boxes of silver coins and, it is believed, $26 million of silver ingots. Was the ship headed for Iran, a transfer point for goods to the USSR? Was the bullion a gift from FDR to Uncle Joe? It's one of the many fascinating questions raised by this book. (See also STALIN'S SILVER by John Beasant.) The book concludes with some valuable tables of the standard Lend-Lease shipments.

Lend Lease Russia's Life-saver (http://www.amazon.com/Russias-Life-Saver-Lend-Lease-U-S-S-R-World/dp/0739107364)

[Utopian]

That US aid was vitally important in the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany is not in dispute.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Bertrand Russell was correct. We should have dropped an atomic bomb on Moscow before the Soviets built up their nuclear strength.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YR4_wjjYe5A

Better to be paid by the Soros Foundation than to be a useful idiot and work for them for free.

[Jaybird]

The leaders of the United States, under Jewish influence, made the USSR a superpower.
True.

False.
Yeah, you right.

"There is nothing wrong with communists. Some of my best friends are communists"
- US President F.D. Roosevelt

http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/coldwar/images/B29.jpg

[Utopian]

"There is nothing wrong with communists. Some of my best friends are communists"I have always doubted the authenticity of this quotaiton. Where and when did he say it?

[Jaybird]

I have always doubted the authenticity of this quotaiton. Where and when did he say it?
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. The fact that he married one is proof enough.

[Utopian]

Anna Eleanor Roosevelt was not a communist.

[Jaybird]

Are you from the ADL or what?

[Utopian]

Are you from the ADL or what?No, why?

[Jaybird]

No, why?
Why are you on here defending Eleanor Roosevelt the Commie Cunt while at the same time suggesting we should've nuked a whole nation that never openly attacked us? Are you Charles Krauthammer?

[bociek]

That US aid was vitally important in the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany is not in dispute.

...and Soviet aid was vitally important in sustaining the German war machine.

[Utopian]

Why are you on here defending Eleanor Roosevelt the Commie Cunt . . .I am not defending her. I just don't believe she was a communist. It is irrelevant, anyway. FDR was not a communist by any means.

. . . while at the same time suggesting we should've nuked a whole nation that never openly attacked us?To prevent the Soviets from increasing their nuclear strength. The was desirable because the Soviets sought to eliminate the propertied classes of the world.

[Jaybird]

I am not defending her. I just don't believe she was a communist. It is irrelevant, anyway. FDR was not a communist by any means.
Communist, Jew Pawn, whatever.

To prevent the Soviets from increasing their nuclear strength.
That they never used on anyone but the poor Chernobylivites. That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard one of you neo-cons say. And I've heard Michael Weiner.

The was desirable because the Soviets sought to eliminate the propertied classes of the world.
And Saddam hated our freedom.

[Utopian]

Communist, Jew Pawn, whatever.Evidence?

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard one of you neo-cons say.Why do you disagree with it?
And I am not a neo-conservative.

And Saddam hated our freedom.You don't think that the Soviets sought to expand the communist system? You don't think that they would have liquidated the propertied classes of Europe, had they been successful?

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Has anyone seen Annalex lately?

[Fenian]

Has anyone seen Annalex lately?

He's at LF.

[Jaybird]

Has anyone seen Annalex lately?
I sent Ex-Lax an invite at OD. He's too chicken shit to show his face around here without Fuckolo to whisper sweet nothings into his ear.

[Jaybird]

You don't think that the Soviets sought to expand the communist system? You don't think that they would have liquidated the propertied classes of Europe, had they been successful?
Uh, they didn't though jackass. This has to be a joke.

[Utopian]

Uh, they didn't though jackass.Yes, but the world would be better today if the USSR had been destroyed in its infancy. The Soviet Union shared nuclear secrets with the enemies of America.

[bociek]

I don't know what ghetto ass crack you folks are on, but to say that the Communists of the USSR weren't expansionist is insane.

Poland 1920.

Exhausted themselves during ww2, supplying the Germans for 2 years kinda fucked them.

MAD, economic backwardness, Warsaw pact dissolving-- FIN.

Apropos the propertied classes, they existed throughout the Commie world, and in real terms, not unlike the west.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

I don't know what ghetto ass crack you folks are on, but to say that the Communists of the USSR weren't expansionist is insane.

Poland 1920.

Exhausted themselves during ww2, supplying the Germans for 2 years kinda fucked them.

MAD, economic backwardness, Warsaw pact dissolving-- FIN.

Apropos the propertied classes, they existed throughout the Commie world, and in real terms, not unlike the west.

We need to start a discussion of whether or not Poland is a pseudo-nation, like Israel.

Don't get me wrong. I'm in favor of Poland, and realize that Jan Sobieski saved the west. It just seems that they haven't done anything since then.

[The Exorcist]

Don't get me wrong. I'm in favor of Poland, and realize that Jan Sobieski saved the west. It just seems that they haven't done anything since then.

Couldn't the same be said of a lot of countries though?

[Jaybird]

Yes, but the world would be better today if the USSR had been destroyed in its infancy.
How? This may be simplistic, but the Space Race the Soviets spurred us into was better for science. And we've all seen how America has acted in the sixteen years since its collapse. Could you imagine having an entire half-century with only one super power?

[bociek]

We need to start a discussion of whether or not Poland is a pseudo-nation, like Israel.

Don't get me wrong. I'm in favor of Poland, and realize that Jan Sobieski saved the west. It just seems that they haven't done anything since then.

Well, they saved the west again in 1920. They also started the domino effect that eventually lead to the Soviet Union collapsing in 1991 (thus ending the cold war)-- That's 3 times, not that I'm counting.

Now that that's on the Polish CV, tell me what the west has done to save... the west?

Poland's borders today are almost exactly as they were in 966, pseudo-nation or not, at the very least they were united unlike much of Europe.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Couldn't the same be said of a lot of countries though?

A lot of other countries didn't get chopped into little chunks repeatedly by their neighbors.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Poland's borders today are almost exactly as they were in 966, pseudo-nation or not, at the very least they were united unlike much of Europe.

Thanks to Ronald Reagan.

[bociek]

Thanks to Ronald Reagan.

You're a fucking moron.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

You're a fucking moron.

:lmao:

Why does the Polish government keep a token force in Iraq? To avoid charges of ingratitude. They know whom they owe their existence to.

[bociek]

:lmao:

Why does the Polish government keep a token force in Iraq? To avoid charges of ingratitude. They know whom they owe their existence to.

You're a fucking moron.

[bociek]

A lot of other countries didn't get chopped into little chunks repeatedly by their neighbors.

A lot of countries don't have Germans and Russians for neighbours. A lot of countries didn't have to war with Turks, Mongols, Swedes, (at the height of their power, btw) not to mention those pesky neighbours.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

You're a fucking moron.

I thought gratitude to one's saviors was a profoundly Polish trait. And take that Bonapartist cockade off, before addressing me.

[bociek]

I thought gratitude to one's saviors was a profoundly Polish trait. And take that Bonapartist cockade off, before addressing me.

Go fuck yourself, you fucking moron.

[Hugh Jorgen]

Go fuck yourself, you fucking moron.
I thot this was the Attic ... seems more like "de Basement".

[Sigurd Ring]

Bertrand Russell was correct. We should have dropped an atomic bomb on Moscow before the Soviets built up their nuclear strength.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YR4_wjjYe5A

Bertrand Russell advocated violence/death on a massive scale? I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe.

[WFHermans]

If you listen to what Russell is actually saying in the clip, you will hear "Nuclear war in which both sides have nuclear weapons will be an utter disaster". Never trust any zionist "History Channel" like "documentaries". Bertrand Russell opposed wars and was therefore hated by international zionism.

[Anarch]

... We should form a power alliance with Russia and stop allowing ourselves to be played off against our White Brothers and Sisters by the demagogues and special interests around the world.

Russians are the niggers of Europe. When they're not busing snorting cocaine and aborting their own nation into non-existence, they're dead after being fished out of the Neva in Moscow from being shitfaced on vodka, slaughtering each other in massive numbers and worshipping tyrants the likes of which no Western nation would've put up with. Fuck 'em. Serbs are more civilised. Barely.

[Phantasm]

Russians are the niggers of Europe. When they're not busing snorting cocaine and aborting their own nation into non-existence, they're dead after being fished out of the Neva in Moscow from being shitfaced on vodka, slaughtering each other in massive numbers and worshipping tyrants the likes of which no Western nation would've put up with. Fuck 'em. Serbs are more civilised. Barely.

C'mon, Anarch... aren't you being a bit harsh?

The Soviet Union is making great advancements now under the direction of Vladimir Putin. The "oligarchs" are under control and they are now developing into a world power once again.

BTW... the Russians recently demonstrated that oil doesn't come from dead dinosaurs after all.

Thanks to the Russians, maybe we can all stop being slaves to OPEC in the near future.

:beerbang:

[Sigurd Ring]

Russia is fucking hardcore! Western Europe folds to the whims of immigrants whilst Russians kick the shit out of them. Seen it on video! :beerbang:

[UberSwank]

Indeed the world would have been much better had the USSR not existed.

Then let's nuke those who started it all:

WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION
(http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html)

[Anarch]

C'mon, Anarch... aren't you being a bit harsh?

The Soviet Union is making great advancements now under the direction of Vladimir Putin. The "oligarchs" are under control and they are now developing into a world power once again.

While the Russian birthrate struggles to climb above replacement and caucasians pour in from the south, Muslims expand and multiply like locusts and paranoid teenagers cling to Russian nationalism like nothing's left and thump the crap out of as many as they can. It's like a bad scene from Tolkien's Two Towers. Putin doesn't give a shit what's going down as long as the Government controls the country. You read up on the idea of Sovereign Democracy - I assure you ethnic nationalism as a base for state power has absolutely nothing to do with it. Russia is no Great White Hope. If anything, it may very well be irredeemable, and the old people of Rus may very well have to reconquer the steppes all over again. Awesome stuff, ya?

TW... the Russians recently demonstrated that oil doesn't come from dead dinosaurs after all.

Thanks to the Russians, maybe we can all stop being slaves to OPEC in the near future.

:beerbang:

Congrats. There might be hope yet. Maybe. Probably not.