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Breckinridge Elkins
11-07-2007, 02:25 PM
Not tonight, dear . . . in fact, not ever
Feminism gave women control of their sex lives, but has it gone too far? Author and sex expert Dr Pam Spurr argues that many women are risking their relationships by saying ‘no’


Emily, 37, is a successful solicitor with a husband and a two-year-old son. To her friends, she doubtless lives a charmed existence. But recently she sat across from me in a life coaching session. She was very distressed. Having just discovered that her husband of five years had had an affair, she felt that her world had disintegrated. She’d been a good partner, hadn’t she? She was caring and hardworking, wasn’t she?

Closer examination of their relationship revealed that Emily hadn’t had sex with her husband for many months. When I pushed Emily gently on this she was incredibly defensive. It was her view that she was too busy with her career and raising their son to give any thought or time to sex.

Over the past two decades I have worked as a psychologist, life coach and sex expert, and I have found that Emily’s attitude is all too common. And such views don’t bode well for the success of relationships. With increasing frequency, women in their twenties, thirties and forties take a pragmatic, postfeminist view that sex is something over which they have no need to negotiate. In the bedroom, there is no compromise. If a man has a higher sex drive than a woman, then he can sort himself out. If he wants to try something new and she can’t be bothered, tough luck to him.

Eventually, Emily and her husband repaired their relationship – which meant learning how to confront their differences, including sexual ones.

Olivia, a 39-year-old investment consultant, was less fortunate. She had wanted to make certain financial investments that her husband was against. Issues about their finances spread bad feeling into all other areas of their life and, like a stone dropped in water, the ripples from their acrimonious “discussions” reached far and wide.

When Olivia found that the stress of their differences diminished her sex drive, she felt completely justified in suggesting separate bedrooms. As she recounted to me – with bitter regret, after their divorce – sex had been the last thing on her mind. Her biggest mistake was not considering what was on his mind.

Having researched my new book, as well as talked to thousands of men and women over the years, I now firmly believe that too many women see the sexual side of their lives as something to be claimed completely and utterly as their own. That’s fine for single women flexing their sexual muscles.

But once they settle into a relationship, many will continue to do so. This doesn’t make sense to me at all – and unfortunately I’m privy to the heartbreak and distress that goes along with this view.

Like it or not, a sexless life is at the root of much heartache and many affairs and/or relationship break-ups. And although lack of sex can often be a symptom of other problems that lead a relationship to break down, it can also be the cause.

At the risk of being called old-fashioned (though I don’t think that old-fashioned should always have negative connotations) and antifeminist, I’d go so far as to say that for both partners sex could be considered a duty, if it is something that one partner knows would make the other happy.

Does he really want to go up on the roof to repair a leak on a Sunday afternoon?

Does she really want to take out the rubbish in the pouring rain? No, but partners in relationships do such things because they know that it makes the other happy. Sex should be seen in the same light.

I am not advocating submission. I oppose the idea that anyone should feel pressured into sex; I understand that the “sexualisation” of society often puts unnatural expectations on both women and men. I am merely pointing out that sex, as with other parts of a relationship, needs constant care and compromise. Why should the sexual area of a relationship be ringed by an emotional fence that makes it a no-go zone for discussion, while other areas are discussed openly, argued over and resolved?

Sometimes where sex has waned, both parties initially had different physical needs that were not discussed openly at the time. I have spoken to a fair few thirty-something women who settle down with a “decent chap” knowing that he’ll make a good father. On producing babies, though, many such men find themselves left out in the cold when they still desire the sexual warmth that they initially enjoyed. Such complete sexual pragmatism seems fair to these women, but what about the men? To them, sexually, men don’t seem to matter much once they have served their purpose.

Sometimes both partners feel that sex does not rank highly on their list of priorities. That’s fine. There’s no negotiation necessary when you’re both in agreement. But many women simply feel that their lives are too stressful, or that they are dealing with other relationship issues, and they don’t want to raise sex as yet another issue with which to contend.

That is a very dangerous place to be if the man doesn’t feel the same way. You may find, as Emily did, that he will seek sexual satisfaction without you. I certainly don’t justify infidelity but I can often understand why it happens. In contrast, when a woman’s sexual needs are denied, Heaven help the man responsible.

Jessica, 36, a political lobbyist, told me that she felt strongly that she and her husband were too young to give up enjoying sexual pleasure. It caused her much pain that he put long hours at work above consideration for their sex life. Tellingly, the reaction from many of her friends was “How dare he?”

That goes to the heart of this issue. As women, we have come to expect that we can control our sex lives completely – but we get angry when a man wants to do so.

Some may argue that sex is such an intimate and personal set of behaviours and beliefs that lack of compromise is justified. I would argue quite the opposite. It is because of its personal nature that sex should be explored between a couple. And by exploring their differences, and reconciling them, a couple’s attachment to, and love for, each other is often heightened.

In other cases I have found an even more disturbing attitude: that it’s fine to use occasional sex in a cold-hearted and calculated way as a favour or bartering tool for jobs well done by the man.

Amanda, a 38-year-old photographer, bartered sexual favours with her live-in partner when he did a particularly difficult piece of DIY or nasty bit of graft, such as unplugging drains. Using sex as a bargaining chip demeans both partners.

The solution is to take a holistic approach to a relationship and understand that every part of it – careers, finances, family issues, sex – needs nurturing and understanding. It’s the “only I count” sexual attitudes that are killing off much sexual intimacy.

Never be bullied into sexual activity that turns you off or be pressured into sex that doesn’t satisfy you. But always be prepared to discuss your feelings and desires and listen to his. Hopefully, that will improve your sex life and help to strengthen your relationship in other ways, too.

Dr Spurr’s book Fabulous Foreplay: The Sex Doctor’s Guide To Teasing And Pleasing Your Lover, is published by J R Books at £7.99. Order your copy at the reduced price of £7.59 (including free p&p) from Times BooksFirst, 0870 1608080; timesonline.co.uk/booksfirst

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article2786172.ece

UberSwank
11-07-2007, 02:30 PM
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The Exorcist
11-07-2007, 10:58 PM
Sometimes where sex has waned, both parties initially had different physical needs that were not discussed openly at the time. I have spoken to a fair few thirty-something women who settle down with a “decent chap” knowing that he’ll make a good father. On producing babies, though, many such men find themselves left out in the cold when they still desire the sexual warmth that they initially enjoyed. Such complete sexual pragmatism seems fair to these women, but what about the men? To them, sexually, men don’t seem to matter much once they have served their purpose.

In other cases I have found an even more disturbing attitude: that it’s fine to use occasional sex in a cold-hearted and calculated way as a favour or bartering tool for jobs well done by the man.

Amanda, a 38-year-old photographer, bartered sexual favours with her live-in partner when he did a particularly difficult piece of DIY or nasty bit of graft, such as unplugging drains. Using sex as a bargaining chip demeans both partners.

Both of these are big reasons why I'll probably be like most singles out there and marry late in my life if ever. Far too often have I seen the second bartering scenario play out on television to the point where I think far too many girls are convinced that it's the right way to get what you want.

I'll be damned if I'm going to marry a cold woman, but I can't say for sure that the woman I marry will eventually turn into one. The rule is: be a prude in public but NOT in the bedroom

http://roissy.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/666.jpg

....perfect...timing

Jaybird
11-07-2007, 11:04 PM
Yeah, but who would barter for sex with that thing? It looks like a 13 year old skateboarder.

UberSwank
11-07-2007, 11:04 PM
Dunno. I think a good deal of women's coldness is due to poor performance by their partner. Learn to eat box FFS!

Jaybird
11-07-2007, 11:06 PM
Dunno. I think a good deal of women's coldness is due to poor performance by their partner. Learn to eat box FFS!
No, learn how to swing your meat and thus avoid eating pussy altogether.

UberSwank
11-07-2007, 11:13 PM
thus avoid eating pussy altogether.


u r gay

Jaybird
11-07-2007, 11:33 PM
No sir. I eat pussy only when I've seriously fucked up and am in the dog house. Of course in my younger days, I had to eat it more because I was still an apprentice and I wanted chicks to think I ate pussy all the time.

Johnny Bravo
11-08-2007, 12:23 AM
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PseudoCop
11-08-2007, 12:34 AM
Licking snatch is a good thing.

If done right women will say the most wonderful things after being guided to a multiple orgasm and a gentle letdown like- "I'm buying you dinner!" or they'll just start cleaning my apartment without being asked.

Pasdaran
11-08-2007, 12:35 AM
Men who don't eat pussy are fags. :disagree:

Jaybird
11-08-2007, 01:12 AM
Amateurs.

PseudoCop
11-08-2007, 01:19 AM
Amateurs.

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Johnny Bravo
11-08-2007, 01:22 AM
Both of these are big reasons why I'll probably be like most singles out there and marry late in my life if ever. Far too often have I seen the second bartering scenario play out on television to the point where I think far too many girls are convinced that it's the right way to get what you want.

Even worse, some women think that such an attitude is the height of playfulness and the money is proof of their desirability. Something about sex being their only source of validation, I guess. I cringe whenever I see the phrase "real man," but "real men" don't have to pay for sex. Paying for sex is like cutting off your balls and putting them into her purse.


I'll be damned if I'm going to marry a cold woman,
That's the spirit. :rockout:

but I can't say for sure that the woman I marry will eventually turn into one.

Wish I had an answer to this one. I really do, I'd probably make millions.

The rule is: be a prude in public but NOT in the bedroom

Women who don't get this are evolutionary failures and will mostly end up with losers. Cool guys, if they know what's good for them, will go for women who can behave in public and keep their genitals in their pants, but will unleash their pent-up sexual aggression in the bedroom.

....perfect...timing

Anyone wanna bet that she likes to be on the receiving end of S&M and rape fantasies? And I'm talking about the really kinky stuff. What, no takers?

The Libertine
11-08-2007, 01:30 AM
This is why I like slutty chicks.

UberSwank
11-08-2007, 03:48 PM
Licking snatch is a good thing.

If done right women will say the most wonderful things after being guided to a multiple orgasm and a gentle letdown like- "I'm buying you dinner!" or they'll just start cleaning my apartment without being asked.

Or better, they tell their friends.