Fat American Women = Dating Disparity

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Nov 7th, 2007 by roissy

There is no doubt the obesity epidemic in the U.S. tilts the dating playing field in favor of those women who manage to keep their figures. The growing bloat of half the female population guarantees that slender women are more in demand than ever, and I believe this is a major contributing factor to the runaway egos and entitlement complexes of American women in general.

To see how this might be so, three premises need to be examined.

1. Does obesity handicap the dating prospects of afflicted women more than it does afflicted men?

Since American men are getting fatter at about the same rate as American women it’s reasonable to ask if this neck and neck race to the fattest helps keep the dating market balanced and the prospects for finding love equal between the sexes. The answer is no. Men are much more visually driven than women when judging the opposite sex for mate worthiness and rolls of fertility-concealing blubber that disfigure a woman’s natural hourglass shape and sexually arousing appearance will harm her attractiveness to men a lot worse than being overweight will harm a man’s attractiveness to women.

This is a simple fact of life. A rich or smart or funny guy who is 30 pounds overweight will have an easier time in the dating market than a kind and sweet and personable woman overweight by the same amount. Guys have many more compensatory qualities they can bring to the table to neutralize the disadvantage of being fat, whereas fat women, no matter how well cultivated their other attributes, cannot win over the men they want without lowering their standards to the basement or accepting a life of constant pump and dumps from players on the prowl for easy noncommital sex.

Furthermore, it is a myth that fat guys, through the power of their expanding guts, magically discover the appeal of fat chicks. The fat guys you see hooking up with fat chicks do so BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. The truth is that fat guys lust after hot slender babes just as much as thin guys do.

2. Does the obesity epidemic directly improve the dating prospects of women who stay in shape?

Given that fat girls have poor dating prospects even among fat guys, and that almost all guys are attracted to thin girls (the tiny population of fatty fucking fetishists to the contrary notwithstanding), the remaining thin girls will see their sexual market value skyrocket. This smaller pool of attractive women means that each hot chick can date up higher than she would have otherwise.

A thin girl whose looks are magnified in contrast to the fat chicks around her and who is pursued by all the men will command a much higher price — and a bigger sense of self-worth — than a thin girl in a roomful of other thin girls who is pursued by a fraction of the available men who must divide their attention between multiple targets.

In the former scenario, it will not take the thin girl long to perceive her inflated market value and act accordingly. A monstrous bitch shield ensues.

This is why the hot girl with a fat friend will subconsciously ENABLE HER FAT FRIEND’S WEIGHT PROBLEM, and why the fat girl will try to drag her hot friend into the bottom of the Ben and Jerry’s pint with her. It is against the genetic interests of both of them to encourage female competition. They are in it to win it, just like the rest of us.

3. Do the numbers justify a connection between obesity and typical American woman attitudes?

Let’s check the numbers. First, I’ll show through the illuminating power of my handy charts the ideal attractive weight for women. (I’ve used the 1959 Met Life insurance tables for this analysis as they more accurately reflect optimum weights than recent tables which have had to adjust upwards to account for American “grade inflation”.)


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Ideal Weight: BMI 17.6 - 21. 99% of men find women in this range to be hot.

Maximum Healthy Weight: BMI 25. The upper limit of what the medical establishment classifies as healthy weight. (Note that “healthy” and “aesthetically pleasing to men” are not necessarily the same.) 30% of men will find women over the ideal weight but within the healthy weight sexually attractive. The other 70% will think they are chubby, but still bangable if the effort required to close the deal is not too great.

Overweight: BMI 25.1 - 30. The weight at which a woman becomes officially fat. Less than 10% of men will find women in this range sexually attractive. Men who can get slender girls will not even look twice at women in this group.

Obesity… and Beyond!: BMI 30+. Over 98% of men will be actively repulsed by these women.

Height Ideal Weight Max Healthy Overweight Fatass!

5′0″ 90-107 128 129-154 155+
5′1″ 93-111 132 133-159 160+
5′2″ 96-115 137 138-164 165+
5′3″ 100-119 141 142-169 170+
5′4″ 103-123 146 147-175 176+
5′5″ 106-127 151 152-180 181+
5′6″ 109-131 155 156-186 187+
5′7″ 112-135 160 161-192 193+
5′8″ 115-139 164 165-197 198+
5′9″ 119-143 169 170-203 204+
5′10″ 123-147 174 175-209 210+
5′11″ 126-151 179 180-215 216+
6′0″ 130-155 184 185-221 222+
6′1″ 133-159 190 191-227 228+
6′2″ 137-163 195 196-234 235+

Now let’s look at the demographics. According to the 2000 U.S. Census, there are approximately 40 million American women between the ages of 20 and 39 (a range which roughly matches a woman’s fertile years and maximum dating marketability). Using my handy chart above, we establish a threshold of BMI 25 as the point at which a woman takes a non-trivial hit to her sexual worth. As her BMI steadily increases, more and more men will regard her with cold asexual indifference culminating in outright revulsion. An American Medical Association study classified 52% of all women between the ages of 20 and 39 as overweight or obese with a BMI of 25 or higher. (The CDC also has similar studies on obesity.)

That’s HALF of all women in the prime dating years who have damaged or even completely trashed their sexual appeal to men through sloth and gluttony. They have made their search for love unnecessarily harder by their choices.

There are 20 million American women at a healthy weight competing for the attentions of 40 million men in the same age bracket. Even this lopsided number doesn’t tell the whole story. Of those 20 million women, a smaller number are at the ideal sexual attractiveness weight of BMI 17.6 to 21, given that the upper bound of healthy weight is BMI 25. The ideal attractive BMI is about half the total healthy BMI, so the number of slender babes that are maximally attractive to the vast majority of men is really in the neighborhood of 10 million. Remember that this analysis does not factor in facial ugliness which would surely whittle away at the number of attractive women further.

Finally, we must stipulate that the tendency of women as they age to date increasingly older men than themselves means that the figure of 40 million men is actually too low. Extending the dating market of men to age 50 adds another 20 million to their total number. Controlling for marriage makes no difference because the ratio of single men to single women remains the same.

This brings us to the final tally of potentially 60 million men hotly pursuing 10 million women. That’s a 6 to 1 dating ratio. Talk about a stacked deck.

If you want to know why American women have such unrealistic expectations, ridiculously out-of-sync standards, neurotically overblown egos, schizophrenic flakiness, and chronic selfishness –
it’s all in the numbers.
the fat, porky, tubby numbers.

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[Farkas]

I know this girl that is really fat (her one ass-cheek is bigger than my entire ass!) and she has a huge crush on my best friend. My best friend already has a girlfriend and he only goes out with very good-looking girls. What does she do? She gets depressed and starts eating chocolate(ice-cream). She would be a pretty girl if she would stop stuffing herself like that, find some mental help and lose weight. She has a pretty face.

I haven't seen her in a while because she was pissed that I gave her a ten-turn membership card to go to the local gymnasium for her birthday. For once I feel pity for someone and want to do good, they repay me like that...

[Johnny Bravo]

For once I feel pity for someone and want to do good, they repay me like that...

Yeah, life ain't fair.

[The Retard]

That's kind of insulting, Farkas. I know it's probably the truth but it's just not nice. Especially since you say she get depressed easily and eats even more. You should ask her out on a gym date. That way it doesn't look like you're calling her fat and ugly. :heartthrob::heartthrob::heartthrob:

[The Libertine]

The article is correct except for its use of BMI. That standard throws nasty sounding labels at people who don't deserve them.

[The Exorcist]

Where smokers are currently the scapegoats of society...soon, fat people will be next.

The food industry and companies that pump corn syrup in everything will be prosecuted and targeted for giving people heart disease. In fact, all of the "truth" and "wadafuxup" commercials will target food companies like Nabsico and Hershey's!

As for fat chicks, they can always date skinny nerds who've never had a girlfriend. As for chicks who can't help but have a large build (and breasts) because that is how they are genetically, they should learn to wear liederhosen and serve me beer. That will definitely lead to a happy ending.

If you want to know why American women have such unrealistic expectations, ridiculously out-of-sync standards, neurotically overblown egos, schizophrenic flakiness, and chronic selfishness –
it’s all in the numbers.
the fat, porky, tubby numbers.

I'm not advocating fucking a toothpick here, but the guy sort of has a point. Most of it though lies in an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and all of the fried, processed, preservatives, and sugar shoved into every fucking thing, even the so called "healthy" shit people pay 2 dollars extra for (fuck it, I'm ending this sentence with a preposition because fat society pisses me off). I looked at most of the "healthy" foods and such but something tells me that there is a damn FDA loophole companies found a way around to label their product as "healthy" while the customers' asses grow an inch thicker.

Wanna know how to eat healthy? Make food from scratch using celery and REAL damn bread, not that sliced bread you get in a package composed of only starch and air. You don't have to be wealthy to eat healthy, but sadly it does seem as if the cheaper and more affordable foods are the culprits of fat America. Hell, add that in with people being mentally and physically fucked after work and family, people can't help but reach for something that can be microwaved in 2 minutes and ready to eat.

I remember seeing a PBS special on wealth and healthy diet. It's obvious how ORGANIC, pre-made healthy foods, since they have less to nil preservatives, are more expensive. Walk into a grocery store and just note the young and fat people you see. I 'm not talking about just fat, I'm talking about fat AND young. Hell, now I'm seeing them everywhere but notice the crap they put in their shopping carts. (Note Exhibit A)

http://worldofwonder.net/image1/pancakesausagechocolatechip-1.jpg

Now walk into a high-end, organic-foods, grocery store and note how the only fat people you see are usually in their forties and above. Now, keep in mind that there ARE grocery stores that DO serve good and healthy ingredients (for example, Fiesta). However, the average American doesn't reach for an orange, they reach for an ice cream cone. The average American doesn't grab vinegar dressing as salad dressing, they reach for Ranch. The average American doesn't grab celery, carrots, and chicken to make a home cooked meal at home, they grab the frozen microwave dishes or call for pizza deliveries.

It's like as if someone took the Scottish diet, wrapped it with the Irish diet, pumped it with preservatives for a long shelf life, added more corn syrup for a sweeter taste, and put it in the frozen aisle as a multi-million dollar hit.

Welcome to fat America. Now grab an apple (not the computer) before you get banned from bars and public places for being a health risk to others.

I'm going to go grab a Snickers. What? it tastes better than the apple.

[Farkas]

That's kind of insulting, Farkas. I know it's probably the truth but it's just not nice. Especially since you say she get depressed easily and eats even more. You should ask her out on a gym date. That way it doesn't look like you're calling her fat and ugly. :heartthrob::heartthrob::heartthrob:

I'm pretty lousy at giving gifts, but I thought this way: "If I would give her money, she would spend it on cookies, ice-cream and other calorie-filled crap. I would make matters worse." So I made sure I gave her a gift that would benefit her.

Besides, I barely knew the girl. She is the best friend of an ugly girl that once stalked me (and still does) and I was supposed to give her a gift because I was invited to her birthday-party in some stupid bar where we had to pay or own drinks. Big fucking deal, the harder you are the more chance they will get the message and eventually strengthen their character . :violin:

About that stalker, I will make a thread of this one one day because it is hilarious. I will do it when I have the time because it is quite a long story and I will ask if anyone wants to contribute their own experiences as well. Don't want to draw up all the attention to myself. :D

[Johnny Bravo]

As for fat chicks, they can always date skinny nerds who've never had a girlfriend.

About 10% of guys find fat chicks attractive, but I guess only about 1% of women would ever date an average nerd. Women are much more merciless in the dating game, and should quit whining, really.

As for chicks who can't help but have a large build (and breasts) because that is how they are genetically, they should learn to wear liederhosen and serve me beer. That will definitely lead to a happy ending.


:beerbang:

[MANGO!]

A lot of skinny nerds don't get laid because they are picky. They tend to be too idealistic and get disappointed when real women don't look like flawless, pixelated video game characters.

[The Libertine]

A lot of skinny nerds don't get laid because they are picky. They tend to be too idealistic and get disappointed when real women don't look like flawless, pixelated video game characters.

You've obviously never been to a sci-fi convention. You should see all the late night parties with free booze.

[ZOG]

About 10% of guys find fat chicks attractive, but I guess only about 1% of women would ever date an average nerd. Women are much more merciless in the dating game, and should quit whining, really.



:beerbang:

Women like to talk about mundane personal details, and that of other people. I think my remaining problem with connecting with women (they seem to like me a lot more then they used to) is I generally can't stand this shit.

I don't find my own life nearly interesting enough to yammer on about the day to day, I think you're supposed to ask the right questions so the woman can run her mouth... but that is something I still haven't figured out.

[Mandalore]

You've obviously never been to a sci-fi convention. You should see all the late night parties with free booze.

Are you serious? :confused:

I like nerdy chicks. I bet I'd do better than the other guys. Those sci-fi dudes are fucking GEEKS! Plus, I can recite most of the original trilogy by heart.

[Johnny Bravo]

Women like to talk about mundane personal details, and that of other people. I think my remaining problem with connecting with women (they seem to like me a lot more then they used to) is I generally can't stand this shit.

True, that does not compute. I always make fun of them when they do things like that or I start talking about computers. For some reason, making fun of them never gets old. Try it. Buy yourself a sense of humour first, though.

I don't find my own life nearly interesting enough to yammer on about the day to day, I think you're supposed to ask the right questions so the woman can run her mouth... but that is something I still haven't figured out.

Here's something I use: I'm not your girlfriend. Save that stuff up for your coffeeklatsch.

[Johnny Bravo]

A lot of skinny nerds don't get laid because they are picky.

Fat chicks are picky as well.

They tend to be too idealistic and get disappointed when real women don't look like flawless, pixelated video game characters.

I don't really deny that, but my point is that being a male nerd is probably a bigger deal-breaker than being a female sea cow.

[The Exorcist]

Fat chicks are picky as well.

I don't really deny that, but my point is that being a male nerd is probably a bigger deal-breaker than being a female sea cow.

Alcohol, JB. Alcohol

You'll be fucking fat girls in no time

UQ_ZRrGlXc4

[The Libertine]

Are you serious? :confused:

I like nerdy chicks. I bet I'd do better than the other guys. Those sci-fi dudes are fucking GEEKS! Plus, I can recite most of the original trilogy by heart.

I've been to several different conventions, the parties usually start at around 10PM in the suites. Some are invitation only, some are open to all. They can't sell booze because of liquor licensing laws, but they can give it away while cheerfully accepting tips. Unlike a ren fair, there's a higher percentage of fat chicks at a convention.

[Johnny Bravo]

Alcohol, JB. Alcohol

You'll be fucking fat girls in no time

UQ_ZRrGlXc4
Why do you think I've stopped boozing altogether? :grumpy:

This one time in my mid teens, I got plastered... next thing I know when I woke up in the morning is that I got busted for vandalism, and my new g/f weighed like 500lbs.

[O'Zebedee]

A lot of skinny nerds don't get laid because they are picky.

There's nothing more hilarious than a misogynist, bitter guy complaining because the hot chick won't give him the time of day ("...because she always dates jerks!"), but he won't even cast a second glance at a slightly overweight or dowdy chick.

The irony always seems lost on them.

[sugartits]

There's nothing more hilarious than a misogynist, bitter guy complaining because the hot chick won't give him the time of day ("...because she always dates jerks!"), but he won't even cast a second glance at a slightly overweight or dowdy chick.

The irony always seems lost on them.

This is how a lot of men think when they hold unrealistic standards and can't accept a woman is just plain out of their league. Sometimes a guy doesn't have the stats to compete like them 'jerks' do.

[ZOG]

There's nothing more hilarious than a misogynist, bitter guy complaining because the hot chick won't give him the time of day ("...because she always dates jerks!"), but he won't even cast a second glance at a slightly overweight or dowdy chick.

The irony always seems lost on them.

I suppose thats true if they are fat themselves...

There are some cool slightly overweight chicks, there is a repulsive threshold at a certain point of fatiness that gets crossed.

[The Exorcist]

there is a repulsive threshold at a certain point of fatiness that gets crossed.

True. It's called "Wal-Mart Fat"

[Farkas]

There's nothing more hilarious than a misogynist, bitter guy complaining because the hot chick won't give him the time of day ("...because she always dates jerks!"), but he won't even cast a second glance at a slightly overweight or dowdy chick.

The irony always seems lost on them.

You must understand them a bit. In life they have always been the losers, bullied, etc. And they want to feel like a winner on one thing. I really feel sorry for them.

[The Exorcist]

You must understand them a bit. In life they have always been the losers, bullied, etc. And they want to feel like a winner on one thing. I really feel sorry for them.

Yes, but they fail to see that the game itself is crap, and life is of what they make of it and the hand they're dealt with. At least something to that effect. I guess, eventually, they learn to move on.

[Farkas]

Yes, but they fail to see that the game itself is crap, and life is of what they make of it and the hand they're dealt with. At least something to that effect. I guess, eventually, they learn to move on.

Some have taken their loss upon their own, but most are just born ugly and lack the social skills. They are very shy, but they are very kind and loyal people. If women would fall for their character instead of looks, they would have the best men they would ever wish for instead of falling for these Brad Pitt retards that lack brains and fuck with another behind their official girlfriend's back.

[O'Zebedee]

If women would fall for their character instead of looks, they would have the best men they would ever wish for instead of falling for these Brad Pitt retards that lack brains and fuck with another behind their official girlfriend's back.

Let's just change that around.

If (these) men would fall for a woman's character instead of looks they would have the best woman they would ever wish for instead of falling for these Paris Hilton retards that lack brains and fuck with another behind their official boyfriend's back.


Now don't get me wrong - I can't lie, looks mean a lot to me. I have a number of really, really cool girl friends that I get along with swimmingly, but I don't date them because I'm not attracted to them. Instead I lust over incredibly hot women who generally aren't interested in me.

Difference is I don't hold it against a woman if they're not interested - I just move on.

[Farkas]

Let's just change that around.

If (these) men would fall for a woman's character instead of looks they would have the best woman they would ever wish for instead of falling for these Paris Hilton retards that lack brains and fuck with another behind their official boyfriend's back.

Nerds would love to have a woman with brains and good character (very hard to find) but one that is good-looking too. They usually know that these kike-a-like bitches like Hilton have a bad character and are dumber than Elmer Fudd when he's drunk.


Now don't get me wrong - I can't lie, looks mean a lot to me. I have a number of really, really cool girl friends that I get along with swimmingly, but I don't date them because I'm not attracted to them. Instead I lust over incredibly hot women who generally aren't interested in me.

Call me a sexist if you want, but I don't believe in normal friendship between boy or girl. Especially not on my age. There is always a crush from one side. A normal friendship between boy and girl really exists if the guy in question is a faggot or the girl in question is a lesbian.

Difference is I don't hold it against a woman if they're not interested - I just move on.

Me neither. I have seen a lot of good-looking girls and I'm simply not interested in them. I prefer to have a girl with this certain aura around them. Like the sun is shining from within them and when they are very friendly. It's hard to explain but I don't simply go for looks. If I feel comfortable around them, I would do anything for her to be my girlfriend.

But when I do get interested and they show that they are not and they simply want to be friends, I simply ignore them. I don't have time nor the dedication to be just friends. A girl is either my girlfriend or a business contact (thats for later, I'm still young). I don't take "just friends" for an answer. It's everything or nothing. Call me an asshole, but I simply am that way.

[ZOG]

Now don't get me wrong - I can't lie, looks mean a lot to me. I have a number of really, really cool girl friends that I get along with swimmingly, but I don't date them because I'm not attracted to them. Instead I lust over incredibly hot women who generally aren't interested in me.

Difference is I don't hold it against a woman if they're not interested - I just move on.


If they are really saintly (VERY RARE among American women) they have a way of gradually looking better to me...

[The Libertine]

If they are really saintly (VERY RARE among American women) they have a way of gradually looking better to me...

I've tried that, and I prefer the opposite.

[ZOG]

I've tried that, and I prefer the opposite.

Don't understand.

[The Exorcist]

Don't understand.

naughty girls. Get the chick with the dragon arm tattoo who doesn't play the same bullshit as the other girls. Hell, I'd go for it.

[O'Zebedee]

naughty girls.

Bumpy ride. Great deal of fun as well.

You can have very fond memories at 75.

[ZOG]

naughty girls. Get the chick with the dragon arm tattoo who doesn't play the same bullshit as the other girls. Hell, I'd go for it.

Im using saint pragmatically, not in terms of appearance of respectability...

[The Exorcist]

Bumpy ride. Great deal of fun as well.

You can have very fond memories at 75.

Well, she doesn't have to be a slut or anything. I just want the chick who hates other chicks. Although, I hear not so nice things about them as well

[O'Zebedee]

Well, she doesn't have to be a slut or anything.

I know a fair number of tattooed rockabilly chicks - the most exciting females to ever walk the planet earth. Even had a short affair with one that I definitely have fond memories of. None of them were by any stretch sluts - they were very picky - but they sure were naughty. Or at least they seemed naughty.

[The Exorcist]

I know a fair number of tattooed rockabilly chicks - the most exciting females to ever walk the planet earth. Even had a short affair with one that I definitely have fond memories of. None of them were by any stretch sluts - they were very picky - but they sure were naughty. Or at least they seemed naughty.

I still find it hard to believe you've never been drunk a day in your life

[ZOG]

I know a fair number of tattooed rockabilly chicks - the most exciting females to ever walk the planet earth. Even had a short affair with one that I definitely have fond memories of. None of them were by any stretch sluts - they were very picky - but they sure were naughty. Or at least they seemed naughty.

I think all women are picky... even the sluts generally want the same 5% of guys.

If the sluts were more democratic in their choices they'd have a better image.

[O'Zebedee]

I still find it hard to believe you've never been drunk a day in your life

Imagine the difference in every single anecdote I've told you if I did drink.

[ZOG]

Imagine the difference in every single anecdote I've told you if I did drink.

A fellow teetotaler wow (okay I think in the past two years ive had like 8 shots, never drink anything else)...

[O'Zebedee]

I drink on occasion, just not to get drunk.

[il ragno]

You can have very fond memories at 75.

Are you crazy?

Assuming I'm not dead by that point, I'll be drooling in my corn flakes with a bag on my hip, surrounded by other, overbearing geezers who begin sentences with "Did I ever tell you the time I-" and end them with Alzheimer memories and outright lies.

In other words, except for the much bigger wheels on my chair, it'll be just like being on the Internet.

[ZOG]

Are you crazy?

Assuming I'm not dead by that point, I'll be drooling in my corn flakes with a bag on my hip, surrounded by other, overbearing geezers who begin sentences with "Did I ever tell you the time I-" and end them with Alzheimer memories and outright lies.

Do something to keep your mind sharp.

Engineers scientist programmers etc... we almost never get alzheimers :D.

[The Exorcist]

I think all women are picky... even the sluts generally want the same 5% of guys.

If the sluts were more democratic in their choices they'd have a better image.

I will refer to Doug Stanhope, the comedian, for this one

[O'Zebedee]

In other words, except for the much bigger wheels on my chair, it'll be just like being on the Internet.

Did I ever tell you about the time I did the young Lara Flynn Boyle?

I was theoretically tooling around Hollywood as a script doctor for Fox, but mostly I was just downing pina coladas with Boz Scaggs, who was in the midst of a longer career slump then even he would know.

Boz and I had a little cabin down Santa Monica way, and we'd trade off on evenings - if one if us left a bra hanging from the doorknob we knew not to walk in. It was normally for us to bring studio secretaries or starlets to, but while Boz was away playing the Holiday Inn in Passaic or wherever I'd use it to work at. Anyways, I'd scored some great blow from one of the Coreys - I always got them mixed up - red lining the script for Back To The Future IV when there was a knock at the door.

It was this hot black haired chick, totally wasted and looking slightly feral. She asked for Boz, but as soon as her eyes alighted on me I could practically feel the hunger. She invited herself in with a matter of fact "I could use a drink," so I grabbed some Moosehead from the fridge. Two or three down the line and she was angling a fingernail softly down my back, leaning in to bestow a slow, sweet smile.

Soon we were grappling on the floor in an animalistic passion.

She left soon after, and it wasn't until a few years later that I saw her walk on the set of Twin Peaks for one of the episodes I was writing. She gave me that look, but I held off - didn't want to revisit old territories.


Anyways, yeah, Weikel - tattooed rockabilly chicks. :agree:

[Jake Featherston]

A lot of skinny nerds don't get laid because they are picky. They tend to be too idealistic and get disappointed when real women don't look like flawless, pixelated video game characters.

Yes, I believe that is true. Nerds invariably turn their noses up at most women, even ones they'd have no chance at. I used to think it was because they had low sex drives, but I have since concluded its because they have an idea of what women look like that is derived from anime, airbrushed porn shots, and the like. Its quite pathetic, really.

[The Green Man]

I think all women are picky... even the sluts generally want the same 5% of guys.

If the sluts were more democratic in their choices they'd have a better image.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Jake Featherston]

Some have taken their loss upon their own, but most are just born ugly and lack the social skills. They are very shy, but they are very kind and loyal people. If women would fall for their character instead of looks, they would have the best men they would ever wish for instead of falling for these Brad Pitt retards that lack brains and fuck with another behind their official girlfriend's back.

Let us not fall into the trap of believing ugly, shy, nerdy dudes are necessarily virtuous. A lot of them lack character just like the Brad Pitt looking dudes. I've found it really doesn't matter that much what you look like; chicks care more about money. Of course, I live in Silicon Valley, where half the guys I might otherwise be competing with, were I single, are millionaires. Its not a very good environment for a blue collar guy, since women around here seem to think (with some justification) that statistically, if they hold out, they'll eventually wind up with some dude who can afford a median-priced home around here (600+K). I think the social dynamic is different in places like, say, Missouri or Scotland. I know that when I took my son to the Kit Carson Days carnival in Carson City, Nevada a couple years ago, conventionally beautiful, slender women were practically begging me to ask them out. This one gorgeous chick actually flagged me down from her car. And this is during my current fat guy phase (which I don't intend to allow to become my permanent condition). Man, to be single in Carson City! My step-brother, who's a bit slow (not retarded, but definitely learning disabled) and worked at Wal-mart, even got a fairly hot chick in Carson City. He'd be pretty much consigned to celibacy in these parts (for the record, I believe his problems stem from the fact his biological mother didn't bother to teach him to talk; my mother undertook that task when he was like five years old, rather than it being due to any genetic deficiency).

[Jake Featherston]

Well, she doesn't have to be a slut or anything. I just want the chick who hates other chicks.

On average, the best chicks are those who don't get along with other chicks. That's hardly to say that any such woman is an ideal candidate for courtship, but statistically, its an excellent trait.

[Jake Featherston]

Do something to keep your mind sharp.

Engineers scientist programmers etc... we almost never get alzheimers :D.

I suspect Alzheimers is caused by television watching. Posting on the Internet is probably a decent way to fend it off. Reading books is probably a better one.

[ZOG]

I suspect Alzheimers is caused by television watching. Posting on the Internet is probably a decent way to fend it off. Reading books is probably a better one.

Most television is stupid...

I disagree with the dogmatist who assume all of it is. For aspbergers types like me its probably a very good thing, since you can watch characters with better social skills on tv...

[ZOG]

On average, the best chicks are those who don't get along with other chicks.

Its almost always true. The female herdmind is a pernicious thing.

[sugartits]

I think all women are picky... even the sluts generally want the same 5% of guys.

If the sluts were more democratic in their choices they'd have a better image.

so it's not enough to be good-looking and easy, they should be philanthropists too?

[The Libertine]

Sluts are awesome. Learn it, live it, love it. I've been living with a slutty chick for the last three years, and I love her more than life. She had been screwing around on her husband with one night stands until she met me and left him. If you pack the gear to get the job done, you can make them YOUR slut.:beerbang:

[ZOG]

so it's not enough to be good-looking and easy, they should be philanthropists too?

They'd are easy for the same guys all the other women are only slightly harder for.

Your weird because if I remember you had this weird serial killer fetish...

[The Libertine]

They'd are easy for the same guys all the other women are only slightly harder for.

Your weird because if I remember you had this weird serial killer fetish...

Long ago, I was one of the shy nice guys. I spent most of my twenties learning hard lessons that changed me. You need to do the same thing. They're with the pricks because chicks like pricks. You must come over to the dark side while you still have your youth to enjoy.

I can even tell you about THE MOMENT when it all changed for me. I was 28, and had spent a year of hating all women to point of complete disgust because of one bad relationship too many. I was in a goth bar, cuz I'm a weirdo, walking back to the dance floor with a Jack and Coke in my hand. This chick that was many years younger than I bumped into me and spilled my drink all over myself and the floor. She said she was sorry, and I blurted out "WELL WHY DON'T YOU GET ME ANOTHER JACK AND COKE, YOU FUCKING BITCH!", and continued on my way back to the dance floor, pissed off beyond words.

She fucking did it.

It was one of those cartoonish light bulb over the head moments, so I started experimenting with it, and eventually became the prick that I am today.:)

[ZOG]

Long ago, I was one of the shy nice guys. I spent most of my twenties learning hard lessons that changed me. You need to do the same thing. They're with the pricks because chicks like pricks. You must come over to the dark side while you still have your youth to enjoy.

I have a little bit.

I can even tell you about THE MOMENT when it all changed for me. I was 28, and had spent a year of hating all women to point of complete disgust because of one bad relationship too many. I was in a goth bar, cuz I'm a weirdo, walking back to the dance floor with a Jack and Coke in my hand. This chick that was many years younger than I bumped into me and spilled my drink all over myself and the floor. She said she was sorry, and I blurted out "WELL WHY DON'T YOU GET ME ANOTHER JACK AND COKE, YOU FUCKING BITCH!", and continued on my way back to the dance floor, pissed off beyond words.

What is this "relationship" you speak of?

[il ragno]

Sluts are awesome. Learn it, live it, love it. I've been living with a slutty chick for the last three years, and I love her more than life. She had been screwing around on her husband with one night stands until she met me and left him. If you pack the gear to get the job done, you can make them YOUR slut.:beerbang:


Yeah, well Confucius say If they step out with you, roundeye, maybe later they step out on you. Admittedly, he probably didn't shoehorn "roundeye" in there.

But what you're trying to tell weikel...well, after all - didn't Blue Oyster Cult say it first, and better?


I plot your rubric scarab, I steal your satellite
I want your wife to be my baby tonight
I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
Your mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil

Pay me I'll be your surgeon, I'd like to pick your brains
Capture you, Inject you, leave you kneeling in the rain
I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
Your mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil

I'd like your blue eyed horseshoe, I'd like your emerald horny toad
I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road

And then I'd spend your ransom money, but still I'd keep your sheep
I'd peel the mask your wearing, and then rob you of your sleep
I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
Your mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil
I'm making a career of evil......

[Jaybird]

If they are really saintly (VERY RARE among American women) they have a way of gradually looking better to me...
Weikel, you don't want to fall for a saint. You don't want to fall for a slut either, but that's not the point. The whole time you're together she'll be thinking, "Can I get better?" Curiosity killed the pussy. And the worst part is you'll never expect it. Why? Because she's a fucking "saint", making it that much more devastating when you find out. Don't hold out for a virgin, it's unrealistic and will bite you in the ass.

[sugartits]

Long ago, I was one of the shy nice guys. I spent most of my twenties learning hard lessons that changed me. You need to do the same thing. They're with the pricks because chicks like pricks.


Yup, we do like pricks ...big pricks.


By your story it isn't clear to me how that incident led you to:
http://www.teach-at-home.com/FastFacts/Homework/Images/IdeaBulb.gif
"By golly, from now on, I'm gonna be a prick!"

It is not that unusual for someone to buy a person a drink after spilling it. Did ya get laid?

[O'Zebedee]

I always kinda thought there was a difference between not being a pushover and being a prick.

[sugartits]

I always kinda thought there was a difference between not being a pushover and being a prick.

There should be.


Prick has yet to be defined. I do not know what men refer to when they claim 'women like pricks'....but whatever it is, there has to be a better term than 'prick'. "Women like assholes" = no good either.

[The Exorcist]

Yea, the whole "I'm waiting for a virgin thing" mainly worked back in the day when people went to Church a lot and actually believed they'd go to Hell if people didn't marry before they were 19. That, and keep in mind that for most women, marriage was all they had going for their lives since a career was out in terms of options.

Hell, just note the rise in the number of Mormon women and girls that don't follow the "virgin" plan as much anymore. Male or female, your mind starts to snap once you hit past a certain age and still remain a virgin. Wait any longer and you'll put Ted Bundy & Ed Gein to shame. I've seen quite a couple of 28+ year old virgins and a lot of these people are fucked in the head.

[The Exorcist]

There should be.


Prick has yet to be defined. I do not know what men refer to when they claim 'women like pricks'....but whatever it is, there has to be a better term than 'prick'. "Women like assholes" = no good either.

Women like assertive men who don't act like welcome mats. Frankly, I fail to give a damn, so I get confused with having "no confidence" when I'm not even giving a damn about something in the first place.

[Jaybird]

Women like assertive men who don't act like welcome mats. Frankly, I fail to give a damn, so I get confused with having "no confidence" when I'm not even giving a damn about something in the first place.
Exactly. Women like men with confidence. "Pricks" just mimic confidence. Too often women and men alike fall for this.

[sugartits]

some women like submissive men.

Passive-aggressive types are great for a summer fling.

[ZOG]

Yea, the whole "I'm waiting for a virgin thing" mainly worked back in the day when people went to Church a lot and actually believed they'd go to Hell if people didn't marry before they were 19.

Not waiting for a virgin, by saint I refer more to being good and kind...

[The Libertine]

Yup, we do like pricks ...big pricks.


By your story it isn't clear to me how that incident led you to:
http://www.teach-at-home.com/FastFacts/Homework/Images/IdeaBulb.gif
"By golly, from now on, I'm gonna be a prick!"

It is not that unusual for someone to buy a person a drink after spilling it. Did ya get laid?

I said I experimented with it, deliberately changing your own personality isn't easy. That night, I did not get laid, it was the fact that I gave an order to a stranger and it was obeyed, which was out of the norm for me. The year of cocaine and strippers started shortly after that, that was a dark time, but fun.

[ZOG]

I said I experimented with it, deliberately changing your own personality isn't easy.

Radically no, slightly yes.

[Jake Featherston]

I always kinda thought there was a difference between not being a pushover and being a prick.

There is, but many people lazily gloss over that distinction.

[Johnny Bravo]

Exactly. Women like men with confidence. "Pricks" just mimic confidence. Too often women and men alike fall for this.

That's true, except that there are masochistic biotches out there who say they want a confident guy, but are in fact attracted to abusive jerks, while still genuinely convinced that they want a man who possesses "confidence". This misconception just blurs the line between guys with confidence and jerks, and the fact is that the line is pretty blurry in the first place. Many women are sexually turned on by aggressive and belligerent guys who display "alpha-maleness", even if their personality is fucked up beyond remedy or they are insecure pussies deep down inside.

[The Exorcist]

That's true, except that there are masochistic biotches out there who say they want a confident guy, but are in fact attracted to abusive jerks, while still genuinely convinced that they want a man who possesses "confidence". This misconception just blurs the line between guys with confidence and jerks, and the fact is that the line is pretty blurry in the first place. Many women are sexually turned on by aggressive and belligerent guys who display "alpha-maleness", even if their personality is fucked up beyond remedy or they are insecure pussies deep down inside.

People deserve whomever they end up with

[UberSwank]

That's true, except that there are masochistic biotches out there who say they want a confident guy, but are in fact attracted to abusive jerks, .


True, you know them because when you do assholish things to get rid of them it only makes them want more. One girl it was fun just to see what kind of fucked up things I could get away with, but I felt kind of bad about it afterwards.

[Johnny Bravo]

True, you know them because when you do assholish things to get rid of them it only makes them want more. One girl it was fun just to see what kind of fucked up things I could get away with, but I felt kind of bad about it afterwards.
Yeah, that stuff was a bit of fun when I was in my teens, but now it just makes me cringe. I'm not shocked that women act that way, but it's somewhat surprising to see how many women dig that sort of behaviour when you really pour it on thick and nobody is watching.

[Farkas]

Yeah that's true. I did some nasty things (nothing too nasty) to my stalker once to get rid of the ugly bitch and tell her that I'm not interested, but then she became more interested in me. The problem is that I don't want to hurt her feelings and I feel pretty bad about it sometimes. I wished I just never gave my number or used a different approach. But that is a story for another time. I will make a thread out of it, but it is going to be quite long to type it just at once this evening.

[Johnny Bravo]

People deserve whomever they end up with

Yeah... wouldn't we all want to believe that? The truth is that many bitches will settle down with a genuinely great guy and screw around on him and whatnot (same rule applies when the roles are reversed). Can we blame him for not seeing through her BS? I'm not convinced.

But we're convinced that the good people will get the carrot, and the bad ones eventually the stick. Ah yes, that old adage. If not any sooner, they will pay for their evil deeds after they've ceased existing. Why do you think religions are always in demand?

[The Exorcist]

Yeah... wouldn't we all want to believe that? The truth is that many bitches will settle down with a genuinely great guy and screw around on him and whatnot (same rule applies when the roles are reversed). Can we blame him for not seeing through her BS? I'm not convinced.

I'd blame him on his part for rushing after the first piece of pretty ass that came his way

If not any sooner, they will pay for their evil deeds after they've ceased existing.

Hell? nah, that's their marriage :D

[sugartits]

Sometimes it happens when two pricks meet and try to fuck eachother like assholes. That's gotta be a sicker game. Though sometimes there is that true love fairy tale when two pricks meet, yet do not collide and they end up like Bonnie and Clyde.

[sugartits]

She's a good hearted woman in love with a good timin' man
She loves him in spite of his ways she don't understand
With teardrops & laughter they pass through this world hand in hand
A good hearted woman, lovin' a good timin' man

[O'Zebedee]

He likes the bright lights and night life and good time friends
And when the party's all over she'll welcome him back home again
Lord knows she don't understand him but she does the best that she can
A-this good hearted woman, lovin' a good timin' man

[Jake Featherston]

many bitches will settle down with a genuinely great guy and screw around on him and whatnot (same rule applies when the roles are reversed). Can we blame him for not seeing through her BS? I'm not convinced.

Some people are good at deception, and I'd say most females have an innate advantage over most males when it comes to mastering the finer points of human psychology. The fact some guy (or gal) got conned is not proof they deserved to be conned. That's little different from saying a woman who got raped by some deranged nigger while she was in her laundry room deserved what she got for not packing heat 24/7. Just 'cause you get the shaft, doesn't mean you deserved it.

[Jake Featherston]

I'd blame him on his part for rushing after the first piece of pretty ass that came his way

Who's to say it happened that way, however? If so, perhaps, but its safe to say that not every guy who gets conned by some cunt did so in a manner that fits your description.

[Jake Featherston]

She's a good hearted woman in love with a good timin' man
She loves him in spite of his ways she don't understand
With teardrops & laughter they pass through this world hand in hand
A good hearted woman, lovin' a good timin' man

Oh man, I haven't heard that song in a LONG time. My parents used to play it quite a bit in the 70s, during this period where they were influenced by some friends of theirs into thinking they liked country music (now that they're no longer friends with those people, they've mainly reverted back to classical).

[Jaybird]

Oh man, I haven't heard that song in a LONG time.
I hear that song about three times daily and by three different singers too.

[Jake Featherston]

I hear that song about three times daily and by three different singers too.

Everyone who lives in Texas can probably say the same thing.

[dangerbot]

I'd like to pause for a public service announcement:

Bitches ain't nothing but hos and tricks.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming,

[The Exorcist]

Who's to say it happened that way, however? If so, perhaps, but its safe to say that not every guy who gets conned by some cunt did so in a manner that fits your description.

yea, I know, but it helps me sleep at night

[Farkas]

Bitches ain't nothing but hos and tricks.

100% correct. Women are not human, they can mimic our behaviour but they are nothing more than snakes with tits and an ass.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

100% correct. Women are not human, they can mimic our behaviour but they are nothing more than snakes with tits and an ass.

:disagree:

Farkas. It's too early in the day.

[Farkas]

:disagree:

Farkas. It's too early in the day.

What do you mean?

[Johnny Bravo]

What do you mean?
Do you really look like the dude in your avatar?

[Farkas]

Do you really look like the dude in your avatar?

Off course not. I just took the avatar because this forum is supposed to be a pub and I found it funny to use an old drunkard as an avatar. But in twenty years time, I'll probably look like that guy, though. You wouldn't be entirely incorrect. :D