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The Libertine
07-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Sun Erupts with Strongest Summer Solar Flare Yet

The most powerful solar flare of the summer so far erupted from the sun Friday (July 6), the latest in a string of powerful storms this week from our nearest star, space weather experts say.

The sun storm occurred just after 7 p.m. EDT (2300 GMT) and registered as a class X1.1 solar flare — one of the strongest types of solar flares possible, according to the U.S. Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) run by NOAA and the National Weather Service.

The huge solar flare erupted from the giant sunspot AR1515, which has already fired off several other powerful storms this week. Space weather scientists were closely watching the sunspot for possible X-class flares.

"And AR1515 did it! X1-class solar flare," officials with NASA's sun-watching Solar Dynamics Observatory wrote in a post to @Camilla_SDO, the mission's mascot Twitter account.

By all accounts, the sunspot group AR1515 is enormous. It stretches across 118,681 miles (191,000 kilometers) of the sun's surface, making it longer than 15 Earths set end to end, NASA solar astrophysicist C. Alex Young told SPACE.com today before the new flare. [More Solar Flare Photos from Sunspot AR1515]

While today's solar flare marked the strongest of the summer season, which began in late June, it is not the strongest of 2012. In March, the sun fired off an intense X5.4-class solar flare. Today's sun storm marked the fifth X-class solar flare of the year.


The active sun

Earlier today, space weather officials warned of more potential flare-ups from sunspot AR1515. The sun has been undergoing substantial activity this entire week from several sunspots on its Earth-facing side.

"The bulk of activity is coming from Region 1515, a moderate-sized active region with a magnetic field complexity that harbors an isolated chance of X-class flare activity," SWPC officials said in an alert released before the X1.1-class flare.

In a new alert announcing the X-class solar flare, SWPC officials said the sun storm could a "wide-area blackout" in the high-frequency radio communications.

Scientists measure the strength of solar flares in terms of energy classes, with X-class flares being the strongest sun storms. Moderate flares rank as class M storms and can supercharge Earth's northern lights displays when aimed at our planet. Class C solar flares round out the top three and have little impact felt on Earth.

Young said there was a chance the sunspot could trigger a massive explosion of solar plasma known as a coronal mass ejection (CME).

"The region is still in a position to produce an Earth directed coronal mass ejection (CME) but since it is no longer at disk center the chances are less," Young said. "It should also be noted that even at disk center CMEs don't always head to Earth."

CMEs unleashed from the sun earlier this week were expected to arrive at Earth in the next two days, possibly amping up geomagnetic activity, SWPC officials said.


Solar flare basics

When aimed directly at Earth, X-class solar flares and CMEs can potentially endanger satellites and astronauts in orbit, interfere with GPS and communications signals, and damage power system infrastructure on the ground.

The sun is currently in the midst of an active phase of its 11-year solar weather cycle. The current cycle is called Solar Cycle 24 and is expected to peak in 2013.

Sunspot group AR1515 is by no means the only active region on the sun today. Nor will it be the last this week, Young added.

"There is a new active region that is starting to come into view on the lower half of the sun," Young said. "It should be completely on the Earth facing side of the solar disk in the next day."

http://news.yahoo.com/sun-erupts-strongest-summer-solar-flare-yet-012221420.html

Among the prepping community you'll find people who primarily worry about one thing, whichever disaster they think is most likely to occur. Economic disaster in my case, flu pandemic for Thomas, and then there are others who prep for a sudden loss of the entire power grid, and every electronic device we own from a EMP. It could come from the natural activity of the sun, or as an attack from a nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude.

I don't have the resouces to buy steel cargo containers, or even build a Farraday cage on the cheap large enough to protect a meaningful amount of equipment, but some people are all about this. It is a possibility, and we'd all be fucked if it happened.

Anyone remember when Iran had those missle tests that "failed"? The missles went up, then seemed to malfunction and fall back to earth. Nobody could figure out what target they were aiming for, when a particular altitude and trajectory might have been the real target.

Thomas Angel
07-08-2012, 12:35 AM
In the coming string of failures a Pandemic looms large as life. I think we can get through an EMP far easier than a Pandemic that kills of 2/3rds of mankind followed by a decade of chaos reigning supreme that kills off almost the entire other third. I have thoughts on global warming that aren't good either but the verdict can only be determined experience over a length of time, lets say a decade. A Pandemic will sweep the globe in one year. People will not trust one another to be free of infection for the decade forementioned. I'll take an EMP any day.

NowhereMan
07-08-2012, 01:26 AM
I think we can get through an EMP far easier than a Pandemic that kills of 2/3rds of mankind followed by a decade of chaos reigning supreme that kills off almost the entire other third.

Historically pandemics kill a maximum of a third of a population.
There are no RELIABLE documentation for the fatality rate of the Columbian pandemics in the new world....

FIPS
07-08-2012, 03:08 AM
In the coming string of failures a Pandemic looms large as life. I think we can get through an EMP far easier than a Pandemic that kills of 2/3rds of mankind followed by a decade of chaos reigning supreme that kills off almost the entire other third. I have thoughts on global warming that aren't good either but the verdict can only be determined experience over a length of time, lets say a decade. A Pandemic will sweep the globe in one year. People will not trust one another to be free of infection for the decade forementioned. I'll take an EMP any day.
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Can't we have both, and soon?

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Thomas Angel
07-08-2012, 06:12 AM
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Can't we have both, and soon?

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An EMP won't be needed if there is a serious Pandemic. The grid will fall apart all on it's own due to deaths and absenteeism. the JIT supply chain will break society into pieces as it fails.

FIPS
07-08-2012, 05:29 PM
An EMP won't be needed if there is a serious Pandemic. The grid will fall apart all on it's own due to deaths and absenteeism. the JIT supply chain will break society into pieces as it fails.
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Then we can have shire and baron rule again.

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The Libertine
07-08-2012, 08:33 PM
I have thoughts on global warming that aren't good either but the verdict can only be determined experience over a length of time, lets say a decade.

Man made global warming is a hoax designed to push people who care about the environment to surrender their rights. Isn't it funny how the solution to these crisis' always involves more power and money for the government?

Historically pandemics kill a maximum of a third of a population.
There are no RELIABLE documentation for the fatality rate of the Columbian pandemics in the new world....

It wouldn't even have to kill a third, the panic that would result from a far lower body count can crash the system. Thomas isn't crazy, it's just that I don't worry about things that are beyond my capacity to prep for.

NowhereMan
07-08-2012, 09:17 PM
Thomas isn't crazy, it's just that I don't worry about things that are beyond my capacity to prep for.

I am prepared.
Thing is, I don't see the need to stockpile guns, ammo, and food to survive a catastrophe.
I have a bit of that stuff but know that I will survive through my local friends and knowledge of how to get by and a willingness to kill to protect me and mine.

No matter how bad it gets out there you WILL NOT survive in isolation and if people find out you have a large stockpile you will be the number one target!

The Libertine
07-08-2012, 10:34 PM
I am prepared.
Thing is, I don't see the need to stockpile guns, ammo, and food to survive a catastrophe.
I have a bit of that stuff but know that I will survive through my local friends and knowledge of how to get by and a willingness to kill to protect me and mine.

No matter how bad it gets out there you WILL NOT survive in isolation and if people find out you have a large stockpile you will be the number one target!

Even if you never have to use it in anger, guns and ammo are an investment, they're only going to go up in value even if only from inflation. Poor man's gold.

I have local friends who are in on this, but they aren't my neighbors. I live in the suburbs of a large-ish city and my neighbors are mostly a bunch of clueless idiots. The only good thing is that around 95% of them are white. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. I've bought a fighting chance even if we descend into Mad Max world, which I don't consider likely.

Thomas Angel
07-14-2012, 08:58 AM
Even if you never have to use it in anger, guns and ammo are an investment, they're only going to go up in value even if only from inflation. Poor man's gold.

I have local friends who are in on this, but they aren't my neighbors. I live in the suburbs of a large-ish city and my neighbors are mostly a bunch of clueless idiots. The only good thing is that around 95% of them are white. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. I've bought a fighting chance even if we descend into Mad Max world, which I don't consider likely.

Preparation is just like insurance. You may never need it, but if you do it is there. I stand a fighting chance to survive because I've prepared myself and others around me followed suit. I merely thought it prudent to protect the people I love and care for.

Problem is that most people don't consider any of the likely catastrophies that can throw us back to the stone age.

I don't particulary care to see a Mad Max world, but I'll stuggle forward until I see that re-construction is well on its way. The survivors will be traumatized beyond their ability to cope with what now passes for "normal living". They'll have seen too much, killed too much, buried their own dead.

The Libertine
12-15-2012, 08:41 PM
bump

I'm bumbing some of the better stuff ahead of gunkid's FAGGOT! threads