Thread in which Shanemick and Jewliana Lee debate the merits of White vs. Black singers

[Jaybird]

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33562

This was hailed to me as some great and glorious flame war. I couldn't be bothered to read most of it. CONCLUSION: They're both morons. Shanemac decides after a night of drunken karaoke that white people can't sing to which Julie comes back with an Andy Williams(?!?!) blast and says black singers all suck.

[gmork]

CONCLUSION: They're both morons.

That's not too unreasonable, if you look at this one and only thread. A bit harsh, perhaps, if you look at the sum total of their contributions.

Personally, I think the Abba debate is better (or worse, depending upon one's perspective.)

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33610

I honestly don't think I've ever seen the fur fly over Abba before.

[Jaybird]

I never had a problem with Shanemac until he sent me a PM telling me to run Stumble Inn the way he wanted or else he was leaving. I suppose our one-liners and Abbot & Costello routines are too lowbrow for those who wish to discuss the role of genetics in karaoke.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Lol.

It seems that Whites have their own unique vocal abilities, but the talent for imitation which allowed them to co-opt the black voice, as well.

When first viewing Walk the Line, I laughed aloud when one character said,

"That boy Elvis sure likes to talk coon."

[Jaybird]

It's weird to think of Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis as the wiggers of yesteryear.

[Winston]

If you've only just found the thread then you aren't seeing even half of what was there originally. Most of it was lost during the phora down-time.

[Jaybird]

I just read the ABBA thread, now that was worth reading. I don't care who coined the term "heavy metal", but I think it's hilarious Julian Lee saying on one hand that all black singers suck and then praising bands like Led Zep and Blue Cheer who were influenced to say the least by blues musicians.

And then Shanemac, for no apparent reason gets in a Stumble Inn blast at the end. What the fuck do we have to do with it?

[Ahmadinebobina]

Shanemac also spent a great portion of Phora time salivating over his poor keyboard to Rapstar's posts.
Verdict = Irish-ness is cancelled.

[Pasdaran]

Shanemick shows that we need to have a "no mick" policy on SI.

Ban all the micks! :agree:

[Ahmadinebobina]

Listen to the sandwog who lives in America. Listen...

[Lenny]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5776/hibernig1ph1.jpg

[gmork]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5776/hibernig1ph1.jpg

Interesting. Lenny's finally decided to post his picture.

[sugartits]

DkP5roFukKY

:rockout: niggerific

[Zed]

It wasn't touted as a great flame war, just that Julian owned Shanemick thoroughly, which he did. All Shanemick had to say was that from his personal experience paddies and niggers were more musical than whites.

[sugartits]

Julian Lee definately pwns the abba thread.

I didn't know Gillen was Jesus.

Thread highlite:

Ian Gillen was one of the best rock vocalists who ever lived. (Did you know he sang Jesus in the original "Jesus Christ Superstar"?) The spook R. Blackmore had a way with the wang bar (vibrato bar) and did extreme things with it, and really well, and was very good at using feedback, too. (We all know about his super-slinky strings.) He used this very odd guitar pick. It was hard like a round pointed stone. Like a small carpenter's plumb. I saw them once in the Gillen days, on their Machine Head tour. Gillen was a very positive and likable front man. Blackmore was in a velvet waistcoat like an English Lord, his hair "electrified Tweedie Bird." He did this sensational solo that included him throwing his guitar pretty high up into the air and catching it just right each time (actually dangerous to do), in between obscenely creative tweaking-and-riffing of all sorts, while cannily employing feedback, the whole nine yards. I swear. I never saw him slip up. Utterly entertaining. Hendrix had nothing on him. I couldn't believe this guy. They had a strobe light going, and you'd see his guitar go straight up into the air in steps, come down in steps, and he'd catch it and keep going without missing anything. Unbelievable. And I wasn't stoned. I always respected Blackmore after that even if he was sort of creepy. I used to be able to do his whole lead solo in "Lazy" pretty much note for note.


Ritchie Blackmore is 'neutral evil'.

[MASTY]

I never had a problem with Shanemac until he sent me a PM telling me to run Stumble Inn the way he wanted or else he was leaving.Did he issue any demands? Send 'im back to mutantspermfront where he truely feels at home, the fuckin' emerald midget.

[Inventor]

I take Mazdak's stance on modern music; it all sucks.

[ZOG]

I never had a problem with Shanemac until he sent me a PM telling me to run Stumble Inn the way he wanted or else he was leaving. I suppose our one-liners and Abbot & Costello routines are too lowbrow for those who wish to discuss the role of genetics in karaoke.

Phora flame wars haven't been the same without the hell forum and prodigal son, wehr, loki, landser etc...

Those were some good flame wars.

[ZOG]

It wasn't touted as a great flame war, just that Julian owned Shanemick thoroughly, which he did. All Shanemick had to say was that from his personal experience paddies and niggers were more musical than whites.

Irish and blacks aren't bad with music. Say what else you will about them.

[Johnny Bravo]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5776/hibernig1ph1.jpg

Lenny stole my photo of the mythological Black Irish. :disagree:

[Lenny]

That I did. That post is my homage to the great Johny Bravo :kudos:

[Mandalore]

Irish and blacks aren't bad with music. Say what else you will about them.


My experience has been that every nigger on the planet thinks he's born with innate musical ability. At least an Irishman doesn't start thinking he can sing until after a dozen or so drinks.

I'm sure there are some Irish singers with beautiful voices, but guys who think that the average one can sing have most likely never heard an entire pub full of piss-drunk micks grunting and bellowing out folk songs.

[ZOG]

The best Phora flame wars took place long before I even told landser about the forum... I guess you can refer to it as the Photoshop era. Seemed like there was a new job on Sulla every day, and some of them were hilarious. I remember Johnson photoshopped a dick through this one commie teenager's head (Benjamin) and shortly thereafter he disappeared.

I saw some of those Wehr did to Sulla.

[Ahmadinebobina]

My experience has been that every nigger on the planet thinks he's born with innate musical ability. At least an Irishman doesn't start thinking he can sing until after a dozen or so drinks.

I'm sure there are some Irish singers with beautiful voices, but guys who think that the average one can sing have most likely never heard an entire pub full of piss-drunk micks grunting and bellowing out folk songs.

Dude, I've been to NJ. Your version of Irish aren't Irish. One girl was really excited to hear I was from Eeeeyerland and ran up to tell me she was too - her dad's name is Sean!!!! :(

Poor Bobina.

Anyway, i LOVE the point in any pub/session where everyone sings along, it's not about vocal ability it's a community blood thing..and a drunk thing.

I don't personally feel that we as a nation are anymore musically talented than any other, it's too fluid a thing to gauge though trad Irish is super.

[ZOG]

Anyway, i LOVE the point in any pub/session where everyone sings along, it's not about vocal ability it's a community blood thing..and a drunk thing.

I don't drink and I love em too, everyone singing along means good mood all around.

[Ahmadinebobina]

Lenny stole my photo of the mythological Black Irish. :disagree:

I believe most people mean north-atlantids when they refer to that.

HOWEVER - and this thread could well turn into bobinz american reminisces - when i was in NJ living with a group of MAJOR christian teens and people in their 20s (a story in itself) a girl who was clearly half/part african told me she was one of the black irish...that washed up from spain to galway :lmao:

[Ahmadinebobina]

I don't drink and I love em too, everyone singing along means good mood all around.

Exactly. :) Good times.

[ZOG]

Exactly. :) Good times.

Except chicks generally only sing along to Total Eclipse of the Heart (well ussually) :disagree:.

[Heavens to Betsy]

I believe most people mean north-atlantids when they refer to that.

*sigh*
They used to but judging from the funny looks I get when I say that my dad's black Irish the meaning has changed.

[Hermanric and Horse]

*sigh*
They used to but judging from the funny looks I get when I say that my dad's black Irish the meaning has changed.It probably means most people are just ignorant of the meaning of the term.

[Zed]

Originally Posted by Ahmadinebobina
I believe most people mean north-atlantids when they refer to that

No, I think it's more Paleo-Atlantid.

[Ahmadinebobina]

*sigh*
They used to but judging from the funny looks I get when I say that my dad's black Irish the meaning has changed.

Most people on these boards, I meant.

Why do you say that?

[Mandalore]

Dude, I've been to NJ. Your version of Irish aren't Irish. One girl was really excited to hear I was from Eeeeyerland and ran up to tell me she was too - her dad's name is Sean!!!! :(

Poor Bobina.



It's true. All the "Irishmen" I know are 25% Irish at best. NJ Irishmen seem to have a thing for Italian women, though my buddy knows a couple who are half Puerto Rican.

If you call your bar a pub, and put up a couple shamrocks and Guiness signs, it's a guarantee that yuppies will flock to it so they can show their appreciation of authentic Irish culture. And don't forget those "Irish" fags who insist on marching in the NYC St. Patrick's Day parade.

[MANGO!]

I don't like the over-the-top "black" style of singing with excessive flourishes, it is even worse coming from whites who imitate it. That style suits most black entertainers, as it is not about creating something beautiful for the audience to enjoy but inflating their ego- quite strange considering the origins of soul music are deeply religious.

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Yes, it is impressive vocal control, but controlled chaos it isn't nice to listen to, IMO.

[Ron Hitler-Barassi]

but the talent for imitation which allowed them to co-opt the black voice, as well.

Whenever the National Anthem is sung on the TV here these days, it is always some half-baked powderpuff celebrity ditz performing it, though singing in that Negro "Soul" type singing, where they sound like they are drunk. It fucken pisses me off, "popular" media are in general pushing that form of singing as though it is the only style of singing (or the most elite or difficult) It's seemingly everywhere :nono: My wife knows to quickly change the channel whenever it comes on, in any form, to avoid me ranting for the next hour about celebrity death camps and mass hangings.

edit: Trailer Trash beat me to it by 3 minutes, that's exactly what I'm talking about :puke:

[Johnny Bravo]

I believe most people mean north-atlantids when they refer to that.


You just have an inferiority complex. You need to come to terms with who and what you really are. :nono:

[Johnny Bravo]

Originally Posted by Ahmadinebobina
I believe most people mean north-atlantids when they refer to that

No, I think it's more Paleo-Atlantid.
Hibernian propaganda. See my post above.

The true nigrescence of the Irish:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1324/nigrescence2qf9.jpg

[Zed]

It's true. All the "Irishmen" I know are 25% Irish at best. NJ Irishmen seem to have a thing for Italian women, though my buddy knows a couple who are half Puerto Rican.

If you call your bar a pub, and put up a couple shamrocks and Guiness signs, it's a guarantee that yuppies will flock to it so they can show their appreciation of authentic Irish culture. And don't forget those "Irish" fags who insist on marching in the NYC St. Patrick's Day parade.

It's the one drop rule, mate.

[Geist]

It's true. All the "Irishmen" I know are 25% Irish at best. NJ Irishmen seem to have a thing for Italian women, though my buddy knows a couple who are half Puerto Rican.

If you call your bar a pub, and put up a couple shamrocks and Guiness signs, it's a guarantee that yuppies will flock to it so they can show their appreciation of authentic Irish culture. And don't forget those "Irish" fags who insist on marching in the NYC St. Patrick's Day parade.

In America aren't you all mongrels? I mean they are not really Irish in the same way Italian-Americans or Africans-Americans are not really Italian or African. 'New Jersey Irishman' makes no sense.

[Zed]

Hibernian propaganda. See my post above.

The true nigrescence of the Irish:



They really are niggers, you mean? Well, I knew Geist was. :disagree:

[Geist]

They really are niggers, you mean? Well, I knew Geist was. :disagree:

:irish:Insightful. Show everybody the websites where you look up your racial anthropology so that we can all assess how deep your retardation is.

[Lenny]

Hibernian propaganda. See my post above.

The true nigrescence of the Irish:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1324/nigrescence2qf9.jpgLarge areas of Britain have less than 0% nigrescene blood, Amazing! :eek: :agree:

[Johnny Bravo]

Large areas of Britain have less than 0% nigrescene blood, Amazing! :eek: :agree:
Racists from those regions can have kids with Negresses and still remain white. :rockout:

[Ahmadinebobina]

Hibernian propaganda. See my post above.

The true nigrescence of the Irish:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1324/nigrescence2qf9.jpg

You are quite annoying lately.

[Johnny Bravo]

You are quite annoying lately.

I love you, too. :heartthrob: :bunnydance:

[Mandalore]

In America aren't you all mongrels? I mean they are not really Irish in the same way Italian-Americans or Africans-Americans are not really Italian or African. 'New Jersey Irishman' makes no sense.


Not always, but what you're describing is quite common. People here are more likely to abandon their ancestral culture, and a large percentage of us have family from at least 2 different European countries.

Most of the half-Irish kids I went to school with self-identified as Italian. God only knows why.

[Zed]

You can't blame them, they're between a rock and a hard place.

[Ahmadinebobina]

Not always, but what you're describing is quite common. People here are more likely to abandon their ancestral culture, and a large percentage of us have family from at least 2 different European countries.

Most of the half-Irish kids I went to school with self-identified as Italian. God only knows why.

America freaks me out.

[harjit]

America freaks me out.

What about it freaks you out?

[Shanemac]

I never had a problem with Shanemac until he sent me a PM telling me to run Stumble Inn the way he wanted or else he was leaving. I suppose our one-liners and Abbot & Costello routines are too lowbrow for those who wish to discuss the role of genetics in karaoke.

When was that? That PM was to tell you to stop sending me infraction points for disagreeing with you... I thought it was unfair because I could not do the same. That's not the same as "telling you how to run the forum".

[Machine in Motion]

Julian Lee is a decent man - one of the few decent people that regularly post at these forums.

[O'Zebedee]

Are you touching yourself while you say that?

[Machine in Motion]

Are you touching yourself while you say that?

How could I touch myself while typing something? I'm sure you'll know - you're the expert on this subject.

[O'Zebedee]

Ah, touche - a variation on "I know you are but what am I." Looks as though once again I've met my match.

Say, Klaus - or Ralf, or Florian, whichever of the Man Machines you're secretly in love with - do you like long descriptions of interracial sex?

[Shanemac]

Shanemac also spent a great portion of Phora time salivating over his poor keyboard to Rapstar's posts.
Verdict = Irish-ness is cancelled.

What are you talking about you silly little tart? Quotes please.

[Machine in Motion]

Ah, touche - a variation on "I know you are but what am I." Looks as though once again I've met my match.

Yeah, because it takes loads of imagination to think of lines like "Do you touch yourself?" If only I had thought of that first.

do you like long descriptions of interracial sex?

Going to read a passage from your autobiography?

[O'Zebedee]

Gears still spinning there, Florian? Haven't swapped in the new vocoder on your synth?

You gotta keep up here if you want to continue your reign as the Comeback Kid, putting crass jokers like myself in place.

[O'Zebedee]

Yeah, because it takes loads of imagination to think of lines like "Do you touch yourself"? If only I had thought of that first.

Well, as you know, I'm the one with the puerile wit, and you're the one calling me on it, right? Do keep up, Chauncy.


Going to read a passage from your autobiography?

No, I'm going to pm you as much as I can.

[il ragno]

O'Zeb thinks he's me!..... Lookit him flame away!

[The Exorcist]

They grow up so fast.

[Mandalore]

America freaks me out.

Hey, think how I feel.

People ask about my background, and I have to say, "Well, my father is mostly Scots-Irish, English and French, and my mother is German, Dutch and Ukrainian. :(

It feels awkward enough being of mixed European heritage. I can't imagine what it's like for a little halfbreed with just enough caucasian DNA to realize that his nigger family are a bunch of morons.

[Johnny Bravo]

Hey, think how I feel.

People ask about my background, and I have to say, "Well, my father is mostly Scots-Irish, English and French, and my mother is German, Dutch and Ukrainian. :(

It feels awkward enough being of mixed European heritage. I can't imagine what it's like for a little halfbreed with just enough caucasian DNA to realize that his nigger family are a bunch of morons.
The tragic mulatto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_mulatto).

[Lenny]

The tragic mulatto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_mulatto).
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6339/sulla2xf4.jpg

[Ahmadinebobina]

What are you talking about you silly little tart? Quotes please.

This sort of vile sleaziness was a little more than nauseating:

C'mon guys, lets be honest... this bitch is hot.

I need a full-screen picture of you draped over a couch in a leapard-skin bikini for ... uh... research purposes...

almost ad nauseum (literally)
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33155&page=1

You're so highbrow.

I'll leave it at that since I'm not bothered enough to enter 'flames' with anyone on the net, but gosh golly - jaybird was a silly bastard not to listen to you about improving this ol' forum.

oh - and - it's leOpard.
You're welcome. :)

[Mandalore]

This sort of vile sleaziness was a little more than nauseating:

C'mon guys, lets be honest... this bitch is hot.

I need a full-screen picture of you draped over a couch in a leapard-skin bikini for ... uh... research purposes...

almost ad nauseum (literally)
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33155&page=1



I was about to defend him and say that I thought you didn't mind that kind of attention. Then I realized he was talking about a fucking nigger!:nono:

ShaneMac needs to eat a HUGE slice of humble pie after trying to fuck Brandon *** posing as a nigger.

[Captain Snuggles]

Dude, I've been to NJ. Your version of Irish aren't Irish. One girl was really excited to hear I was from Eeeeyerland and ran up to tell me she was too - her dad's name is Sean!!!! :(

Yeah, it's silly.

Unless you're a first generation Irishman, Pole, etc. you should just call yourself an American. You don't have much of a connection to your family's ancestral land and so it's pointless to be a hyphenated American. A third generation American of Italian ancestry has more in common with a third generation Pole than any Italian walking around in Naples. But I suppose being an American just isn't good enough.

[Lenny]

Yeah, it's silly.

Unless you're a first generation Irishman, Pole, etc. you should just call yourself an American. You don't have much of a connection to your family's ancestral land and so it's pointless to be a hyphenated American. A third generation American of Italian ancestry has more in common with a third generation Pole than any Italian walking around in Naples. But I suppose being an American just isn't good enough.If a new "American ethnicity" is created as Miscegenationist Prince Billy described above, then the white race in North America is doomed.

Billy, are you a Roman Catholic?

[Captain Snuggles]

If a new "American ethnicity" is created as Miscegenationist Prince Billy described above, then the white race in North America is doomed.

Billy, are you a Roman Catholic?

What's the point of asking me a question I already answered in another thread in the past 48 hours?

I'm not for, or against, miscegnation, as I stated many times. People's personal lives are not my business. But, I mut say, after reading your posts, I've gone from supporting "soft" eugenics to becoming a hardliner. Pat yourself on the back for changing my view on at least one issue.

[Shanemac]

I was about to defend him and say that I thought you didn't mind that kind of attention. Then I realized he was talking about a fucking nigger!:nono:

ShaneMac needs to eat a HUGE slice of humble pie after trying to fuck Brandon *** posing as a nigger.

She was real... she proved it with photos. You can hate niggers all you like... and I respect that, but let's face it, she was hot. Ahmad-Arab-Fucker-Bob is just jealous nobody's telling her the same thing.

[harjit]

oh - and - it's leOpard.
You're welcome. :)

I wonder if he spelled it leapard because they leap?

[Ahmadinebobina]

She was real... she proved it with photos. You can hate niggers all you like... and I respect that, but let's face it, she was hot. Ahmad-Arab-Fucker-Bob is just jealous nobody's telling her the same thing.

...but they were. i changed avatars. It's not the point though, as you touched upon in another thread most people will say a girl on the net is hot merely because she's a rarer commodity.
moot point anyway since when people say sugartits is hot i vehemently agree - it was/is a racial issue.

[Mandalore]

She was real... she proved it with photos. You can hate niggers all you like... and I respect that, but let's face it, she was hot. Ahmad-Arab-Fucker-Bob is just jealous nobody's telling her the same thing.


The black woman in the pictures had a nice body. I'll give you that. But it doesn't change her apelike face, brillo pad hair and the scientifically proven fact that Congoids exhude a foul odor from pores all over their bodies.

I can't fathom how you could insult Persians after you just praised a nigger. As a racist, I'm not in a position to tell you who you should or shouldn't like. I'm not childish enough to dislike you because we differ on the Middle East issue, but for the record, I'm quite fond of most camel jockey groups. Excluding, of course, Pakis and other subhuman mongrels like that.

Besides, I'd slam the hell out of Bobina, and I mean that in a friendly, (sort of)non-violent way.

[Ron Hitler-Barassi]

Only a complete fucking idiot, and by that I mean a complete fucking idiot, could have possibly believed that that rockstar321 or whatever was a real, female nigger that enjoyed e-socializing on racist/racialist political forums. I am amazed that anyone thought it was real.

[Shanemac]

Only a complete fucking idiot, and by that I mean a complete fucking idiot, could have possibly believed that that rockstar321 or whatever was a real, female nigger that enjoyed e-socializing on racist/racialist political forums. I am amazed that anyone thought it was real.

Whatchoo talkin' bout fool?

[Shanemac]

The black woman in the pictures had a nice body. I'll give you that. But it doesn't change her apelike face, brillo pad hair and the scientifically proven fact that Congoids exhude a foul odor from pores all over their bodies.

I can't fathom how you could insult Persians after you just praised a nigger. As a racist, I'm not in a position to tell you who you should or shouldn't like. I'm not childish enough to dislike you because we differ on the Middle East issue, but for the record, I'm quite fond of most camel jockey groups. Excluding, of course, Pakis and other subhuman mongrels like that.

Besides, I'd slam the hell out of Bobina, and I mean that in a friendly, (sort of)non-violent way.


What do you like about the doon-coons?
Is it their fanatical jealousy over their women, which makes them dress those bitches in black sacks from head to foot, while the males go out hunting in packs of 20+ for white wimmimz?
The fact that the whole point of their religion is to conquer and subdue the rest of the world until we all bow down to "allah"?
Their 85 IQ?
Their complete lack of any kind of technological or social development past the level of medieval Europe?
Their inability to tell the truth or act honourably under any circumstances?

In Australia, we have plenty of dune-coons, but hardly any actual negroes (excepting the abos who are only 2% of the population). We have no real reason to hate black people, because we've never experienced them. Instead we have arabs and other assorted muslim scum. They comprise a substantial part of the population of large cities in Australia and are the most hated group here (by all nationalities/ethnicities).

[Mandalore]

What do you like about the doon-coons?
Is it their fanatical jealousy over their women, which makes them dress those bitches in black sacks from head to foot, while the males go out hunting in packs of 20+ for white wimmimz?
The fact that the whole point of their religion is to conquer and subdue the rest of the world until we all bow down to "allah"?
Their 85 IQ?
Their complete lack of any kind of technological or social development past the level of medieval Europe?
Their inability to tell the truth or act honourably under any circumstances?

In Australia, we have plenty of dune-coons, but hardly any actual negroes (excepting the abos who are only 2% of the population). We have no real reason to hate black people, because we've never experienced them. Instead we have arabs and other assorted muslim scum. They comprise a substantial part of the population of large cities in Australia and are the most hated group here (by all nationalities/ethnicities).


The Australian thing is part of the reason I'm not rushing to judge you, Shanemac. I acknowledge that I haven't experienced the same negative interactions that many of you guys describe from Down Under. They sound a hell of a lot like the guidos around here, who are all "European" Catholics.

Anyways, in response to your questions...

1) I'm not a fan of burqas, but I see no problem with women wearing the hijab. In case you haven't noticed, women in many European countries have traditionally worn similar headgear.

2) I'm no more or less afraid of Islamic takeovers than I am about Catholics taking over the West in the name of their religion. Oh, wait; you guys already did that. Long story short... it ain't gonna happen.

3) The minority ethnic groups around Afghanistan and Pakistan are dimwitted savages. Proper "Arabs" are quite obviously part of the Mediterranean race. If Arabs are stupid, then so are Greeks, Italians and Spaniards.

4) Ironic that you should bring up the medieval period. Arabic countries were a hotbed of scientific and mathematical studies at a time when Europe's greatest minds were trying to spin gold from straw and come up with the best torture techniques for sniffing out witches.

5) I'll concede your point on technological development. Much like the Irish, they seem to have fallen behind the Germanics in terms of innovation. Social development has been going downhill the whole world around for a millenia or so.

6) In general, I find Arabs are more likely to tell the truth to your face, even if it isn't something you want to hear. I'm eager to hear how your experiences differ from mine.

When I say that I like and admire them, I'm NOT saying they should all get a free pass to European homelands.

Now, Ahmadinebobina was singled out as a "camel fucker", so I'm going to use her as an example. Whatever the fuck her ethnic heritage may be, she's clearly a lot more Irish than most of the ethnic micks who settled in places like America and Australia. For the life of me, I just can't see any downside to letting in fuckable chicks who embrace the local language, culture and even religion.

[Ahmadinebobina]

I'm completely, utterly 100% Irish and have always lived in Ireland.
My name is just a name, i have no connections to Iran beyond a name that mutates Ahmadinejad and the name Bob.

[Shanemac]

The Australian thing is part of the reason I'm not rushing to judge you, Shanemac. I acknowledge that I haven't experienced the same negative interactions that many of you guys describe from Down Under. They sound a hell of a lot like the guidos around here, who are all "European" Catholics.

Anyways, in response to your questions...

1) I'm not a fan of burqas, but I see no problem with women wearing the hijab. In case you haven't noticed, women in many European countries have traditionally worn similar headgear.

2) I'm no more or less afraid of Islamic takeovers than I am about Catholics taking over the West in the name of their religion. Oh, wait; you guys already did that. Long story short... it ain't gonna happen.

3) The minority ethnic groups around Afghanistan and Pakistan are dimwitted savages. Proper "Arabs" are quite obviously part of the Mediterranean race. If Arabs are stupid, then so are Greeks, Italians and Spaniards.

4) Ironic that you should bring up the medieval period. Arabic countries were a hotbed of scientific and mathematical studies at a time when Europe's greatest minds were trying to spin gold from straw and come up with the best torture techniques for sniffing out witches.

5) I'll concede your point on technological development. Much like the Irish, they seem to have fallen behind the Germanics in terms of innovation. Social development has been going downhill the whole world around for a millenia or so.

6) In general, I find Arabs are more likely to tell the truth to your face, even if it isn't something you want to hear. I'm eager to hear how your experiences differ from mine.

When I say that I like and admire them, I'm NOT saying they should all get a free pass to European homelands.

Now, Ahmadinebobina was singled out as a "camel fucker", so I'm going to use her as an example. Whatever the fuck her ethnic heritage may be, she's clearly a lot more Irish than most of the ethnic micks who settled in places like America and Australia. For the life of me, I just can't see any downside to letting in fuckable chicks who embrace the local language, culture and even religion.

1) Mainstream christianity has never tried to force women to wear a certain type of clothing...it was personal choice.

2) Europe's religious wars happened 300-400 years ago. Muslims have been involved in religious wars for over 1,000 years and continue to be so to this day.

3) No argument.

4) Apart from the numbering system, early mathematics, the parachute and the fountain pen, what have the arabs ever given us?

5) I believe the arab system where one man rules over millions of lowly peasants does not lend itself to technological advancement. Well, that and their low IQ.

6) I've worked in Customs and trained for the police force in Australia. I've had a fair bit of interaction with the arab community. They are the most dishonest people I've ever come across.

[Mandalore]

I'm completely, utterly 100% Irish and have always lived in Ireland.
My name is just a name, i have no connections to Iran beyond a name that mutates Ahmadinejad and the name Bob.


No shit?
I've heard you make references to being Persian, though apparently you must have been joking. I'm sure I'm not the first one to say that you look quite dark for an Irishwoman, though. Maybe my radar is getting faulty, because I had you pegged as a Med. for sure.

My bad. When you smoke enough bud, you get used to making lots of really bizarre, stupid mistakes.

I'd still never guess you were Irish, though. :confused:

[The Green Man]

No shit?
I've heard you make references to being Persian, though apparently you must have been joking. I'm sure I'm not the first one to say that you look quite dark for an Irishwoman, though. Maybe my radar is getting faulty, because I had you pegged as a Med. for sure.

My bad. When you smoke enough bud, you get used to making lots of really bizarre, stupid mistakes.

I'd still never guess you were Irish, though. :confused:
Are you joking? AB looks almost stereotypically Irish (except for not having red hair maybe). The Irishness is in the cheekbones.

[Mandalore]

Are you joking? AB looks almost stereotypically Irish (except for not having red hair maybe). The Irishness is in the cheekbones.

I dunno. I just don't see it.
Then again, I've only seen one pic and that was a while ago. And either the lighting was really weird or she was wearing a pretty hefty amount of makeup.
Besides, I never claimed to be any kind of expert racial anthropologist.

Micks are supposed to have freckles and red hair, goddamnit! The only other way I know to spot 'em is to look for the burst blood vessels in their noses and cheeks.

red hair = mick or jock
blonde hair = kraut or squarehead
brown/black hair = wog
That's my philosophy.

[Ahmadinebobina]

I dunno. I just don't see it.
Then again, I've only seen one pic and that was a while ago. And either the lighting was really weird or she was wearing a pretty hefty amount of makeup.
Besides, I never claimed to be any kind of expert racial anthropologist.

Micks are supposed to have freckles and red hair, goddamnit! The only other way I know to spot 'em is to look for the burst blood vessels in their noses and cheeks.

red hair = mick or jock
blonde hair = kraut or squarehead
brown/black hair = wog
That's my philosophy.

You're silly.
I do have freckles if that helps with your 'table' of Irish-ness. I have green eyes and white pale skin.
My hair has been extremely dark until recently it is actually RED now :P
Regardless, most Irish people have brown hair, not red or blonde. [thank god].

[Ahmadinebobina]

No shit?
I've heard you make references to being Persian, though apparently you must have been joking. I'm sure I'm not the first one to say that you look quite dark for an Irishwoman, though. Maybe my radar is getting faulty, because I had you pegged as a Med. for sure.

My bad. When you smoke enough bud, you get used to making lots of really bizarre, stupid mistakes.

I'd still never guess you were Irish, though. :confused:

Anything related to Persia was a joke, generally directed at or related to Pas or Ex.
I certainly have never been called 'dark' though, I'm painfully white as a sheet.
IRL no one has ever made a mistake like this because they have a general idea what real Irish look like - they don't expect some stupid Americanised stereotype.

[Mandalore]

Anything related to Persia was a joke, generally directed at or related to Pas or Ex.
I certainly have never been called 'dark' though, I'm painfully white as a sheet.IRL no one has ever made a mistake like this because they have a general idea what real Irish look like - they don't expect some stupid Americanised stereotype.

I'm looking at your avatar pic, and you look a lot like a cousin of mine who lives in Michigan. Arabs around Dearborn chase her because they all think she looks like one of them.

I ain't saying I'm right. I'm just saying that -in my perception- you have facial features that could come from damn near anywhere in Europe or the Near/Middle East.

The fact that a (supposed) pure-blooded Celt has dark hair and prominent, dark eyebrows doesn't quite jibe, either, which is all I meant by referring to you as "dark". You obviously have some genetic material that didn't originate with the original Celtic tribes, otherwise you would have hair that was some shade of red or blonde.

[Captain Snuggles]

I'm looking at your avatar pic, and you look a lot like a cousin of mine who lives in Michigan. Arabs around Dearborn chase her because they all think she looks like one of them.

I ain't saying I'm right. I'm just saying that -in my perception- you have facial features that could come from damn near anywhere in Europe or the Near/Middle East.

The fact that a (supposed) pure-blooded Celt has dark hair and prominent, dark eyebrows doesn't quite jibe, either, which is all I meant by referring to you as "dark". You obviously have some genetic material that didn't originate with the original Celtic tribes, otherwise you would have hair that was some shade of red or blonde.

I don't understand why some people on race forums still think that Kelts mostly had blond and red hair when there is so much information that is out there that shows that Keltic expansion was cultural, except for possibly the elite, than biological. The Kelts were a mixed bag regards to phenotype because they incorporated defeated peoples into their cultures.

Honestly, haven't you noticed that the Irish don't look similar to people from Brittany? Or that folks from Wales aren't people associated with having red hair? Or that population genetics link northern Spain with Ireland and England? (difference in phenotype between Spaniards, British and Irish would be as a result of selection and a slight foreign admixture from northern continental Europe depending on what part of Engalnd you speak of), or that blond hair isn't as common in France, except north western France, which was a result of a Germanic presence.

This population displacement nonsense that was pushed in the late 19th century for nationalist purposes has been dead for the past few years.

Also, Ahmadinebobina looks typically Irish.

[Ron Hitler-Barassi]

You're silly.
I do have freckles if that helps with your 'table' of Irish-ness. I have green eyes and white pale skin.
My hair has been extremely dark until recently it is actually RED now :P
Regardless, most Irish people have brown hair, not red or blonde. [thank god].

I am onto you. I suspected you worked for Mossad from the very beginning, though your coded message "Israel Rules" above, and the Star of David projected onto your face to infect unsuspecting stumbleinn members subliminally, have brought you undone :|

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[Ahmadinebobina]

I'm looking at your avatar pic, and you look a lot like a cousin of mine who lives in Michigan. Arabs around Dearborn chase her because they all think she looks like one of them.

I ain't saying I'm right. I'm just saying that -in my perception- you have facial features that could come from damn near anywhere in Europe or the Near/Middle East.

The fact that a (supposed) pure-blooded Celt has dark hair and prominent, dark eyebrows doesn't quite jibe, either, which is all I meant by referring to you as "dark". You obviously have some genetic material that didn't originate with the original Celtic tribes, otherwise you would have hair that was some shade of red or blonde.

My eyebrows are make-up, they are actually for some reason blonde and invisible.
My hair is naturally coppery brown, it's generally dyed dark brown/black or red, like now.
You have a very poor idea of what Irish people are.

[Ahmadinebobina]

You obviously have some genetic material that didn't originate with the original Celtic tribes, otherwise you would have hair that was some shade of red or blonde.

So do most of the country then.

[Alison]

Bobs, you are so lovely. It doesn't matter what race you are. What matters is that you are beautiful, inside and out. And when time fades that exterior loveliness, albeit ever so slightly, you will still be beautiful inside.

Stuff them.

[Ahmadinebobina]

Bobs, you are so lovely. It doesn't matter what race you are. What matters is that you are beautiful, inside and out. And when time fades that exterior loveliness, albeit ever so slightly, you will still be beautiful inside.

Stuff them.

Em.. no.
This is not about my looks, or really me at all. This is 'ngrhater' having some silly, false idea of the Irish all looking like one of two things. [while I look like an arab...].

[Alison]

Well then, niggerhater needs a good slap, doesn't he? Shall I do it?

[Ahmadinebobina]

As you wish ;)

Regardless, I do think my features are a little unusual but my colouring is not at all.

[Alison]

Yes. your features are unusual. You have eyes that are wide spaced - a sign of great intelligence and forward thinking. Your forhead is also very high. Are you, perchance, a Leo? Your eyes are also beautifully large. Your face is perfect, IMO. Your pic resembles a pic of my yongest son. He is very pale, with almost black eyes that are set wide apart. He looks like a lion, and he even has the blonde hair. He's wiry, small and muscular, and often has to be disciplined for beating up on his older brother.

[Mandalore]

1)I don't understand why some people on race forums still think that Kelts mostly had blond and red hair when there is so much information that is out there that shows that Keltic expansion was cultural, except for possibly the elite, than biological. The Kelts were a mixed bag regards to phenotype because they incorporated defeated peoples into their cultures.

2)Honestly, haven't you noticed that the Irish don't look similar to people from Brittany? Or that folks from Wales aren't people associated with having red hair? Or that population genetics link northern Spain with Ireland and England? (difference in phenotype between Spaniards, British and Irish would be as a result of selection and a slight foreign admixture from northern continental Europe depending on what part of Engalnd you speak of), or that blond hair isn't as common in France, except north western France, which was a result of a Germanic presence.

This population displacement nonsense that was pushed in the late 19th century for nationalist purposes has been dead for the past few years.

3)Also, Ahmadinebobina looks typically Irish.

1) I'm unfamiliar with that theory, though it makes perfect sense. I have a similar opinion regarding the nature of "Aryans". Could you post a few links for me?

2) I grew up in New Jersey. I went to fucking public school in a town full of niggers, kikes and wops. It has already been established that I know jack shit about the current ethnic makeup of the British Isles. I'm still trying to adjust to the fact that most Europeans aren't racially pure.

3) If that's a typical Irish look, then I can see why terms like "bog wog" come from. Don't get me wrong; I don't dislike the Irish or anything like that. It just seems quite apparent that many of them really are less White than the English, which I had always thought must just be bullshit when the limeys on VNN would rant about the micks.

Pure White = Nordic
Any and all other Caucasoid ethnicities are a result of some type of racemixing. I ain't saying Nordics are better in any way than the rest, but the expansion of Nordic people is what brought traits like blonde hair and blue eyes all over Europe, and even in to Asia.

[Mandalore]

Bobs, you are so lovely. It doesn't matter what race you are. What matters is that you are beautiful, inside and out. And when time fades that exterior loveliness, albeit ever so slightly, you will still be beautiful inside.

Stuff them.



I never said anything bad about her or her appearance, you dumb cunt.

[Alison]

Aaah, and here is the proud, upright white man, calling a woman a dumb cunt. Nice. Did I mention your name? With that kind of attitude, it's no wonder that white men are becoming social pariahs.

[Mandalore]

Aaah, and here is the proud, upright white man, calling a woman a dumb cunt. Nice. Did I mention your name? With that kind of attitude, it's no wonder that white men are becoming social pariahs.



You showed up telling lies and saying that I should be slapped. A cunt who talks like that should expect that. Don't act like you're respectable when you stick your nose in and try to start a flame war.

[Alison]

Ha ha ha! Where did I ever say I was respectable? Respectable's arse! That's for men who want a stupid woman as a yes baas no baas woman. Fuck that.

Where did I lie? Yes, I said you should be slapped, in a joke, to Bobs! Get a life yu fucking idiot. I started no flame war. And continue calling me a cunt. It satisfies my inner soul, where I KNOW that men who call women cunts have very low self esteem. Men who have small cocks and can never satisfy women.

Tell me, niggerhater, when you go fuck those darkies on the streets, and you give them the money for payment, do they crack up and give you the money back, saying, "It's OK, son, I didn't feel a thing."?

[Mandalore]

Ha ha ha! Where did I ever say I was respectable? Respectable's arse! That's for men who want a stupid woman as a yes baas no baas woman. Fuck that.

Where did I lie? Yes, I said you should be slapped, in a joke, to Bobs! Get a life yu fucking idiot. I started no flame war. And continue calling me a cunt. It satisfies my inner soul, where I KNOW that men who call women cunts have very low self esteem. Men who have small cocks and can never satisfy women.

Tell me, niggerhater, when you go fuck those darkies on the streets, and you give them the money for payment, do they crack up and give you the money back, saying, "It's OK, son, I didn't feel a thing."?


Real impressive. :rolleyes:
You managed to jumble together both feminist garbage and niggerly insults about the size of my dick.

Like the worthless cunt that you are, you seem to think that you have the authority to decide what an "upright White man" should or shouldn't do. Stuff your fucking man-hating bullshit, and get the fuck back in the kitchen where you belong.

[Ahmadinebobina]

Yes. your features are unusual. You have eyes that are wide spaced - a sign of great intelligence and forward thinking. Your forhead is also very high. Are you, perchance, a Leo? Your eyes are also beautifully large. Your face is perfect, IMO. Your pic resembles a pic of my yongest son. He is very pale, with almost black eyes that are set wide apart. He looks like a lion, and he even has the blonde hair. He's wiry, small and muscular, and often has to be disciplined for beating up on his older brother.

A Virgo! :)

[Ahmadinebobina]

1) I'm unfamiliar with that theory, though it makes perfect sense. I have a similar opinion regarding the nature of "Aryans". Could you post a few links for me?

2) I grew up in New Jersey. I went to fucking public school in a town full of niggers, kikes and wops. It has already been established that I know jack shit about the current ethnic makeup of the British Isles. I'm still trying to adjust to the fact that most Europeans aren't racially pure.

3) If that's a typical Irish look, then I can see why terms like "bog wog" come from. Don't get me wrong; I don't dislike the Irish or anything like that. It just seems quite apparent that many of them really are less White than the English, which I had always thought must just be bullshit when the limeys on VNN would rant about the micks.

Pure White = Nordic
Any and all other Caucasoid ethnicities are a result of some type of racemixing. I ain't saying Nordics are better in any way than the rest, but the expansion of Nordic people is what brought traits like blonde hair and blue eyes all over Europe, and even in to Asia.

I am not very white.
Hmm.
I am totally on the wrong forum then, this IS a pity...

[Captain Snuggles]

1) I'm unfamiliar with that theory, though it makes perfect sense. I have a similar opinion regarding the nature of "Aryans". Could you post a few links for me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Oppenheimer

If you go to the BBC news site you'll found articles, also.

2) I grew up in New Jersey. I went to fucking public school in a town full of niggers, kikes and wops. It has already been established that I know jack shit about the current ethnic makeup of the British Isles. I'm still trying to adjust to the fact that most Europeans aren't racially pure.

I'm from Jersey, also. You don't have to grow up in Great Britain to know much about it. In our limited time we pick and choose what we focus our attention. I get "hot" over topics that interest me. Someone can cut me off, or insult me on the streets, and I wouldn't care, but if someone, for examplem, tells me Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of Khazars I go ape shit because the studies show otherwise. I'm not even Jewish. I just don't like people giving incorrect information. Of course, there is a difference between coming to a wrong conclusion, after looking over relevant information, and saying nonsense.

3) If that's a typical Irish look, then I can see why terms like "bog wog" come from. Don't get me wrong; I don't dislike the Irish or anything like that. It just seems quite apparent that many of them really are less White than the English, which I had always thought must just be bullshit when the limeys on VNN would rant about the micks.

Actually, the Irish have less non- "white" ancestry than the British. It's only recently that non whites have immigrated to Ireland. White is really a subjetcive term. I prefer Caucasoid. People can play the "who is white game" because it's so subjective but Causaoid has clear cut scientific definition despite what the Boas crowd believes.

Pure White = Nordic
Any and all other Caucasoid ethnicities are a result of some type of racemixing. I ain't saying Nordics are better in any way than the rest, but the expansion of Nordic people is what brought traits like blonde hair and blue eyes all over Europe, and even in to Asia.

You've spent too much time at VNN and stormfront and not enough time reading the literature or discussing it with people who do. Nordic is a cultural term. A large portion of the population of Germany isn't even Nordid, but they're considered part of the Nordic culture.

This fascination with blond hair and blue eyes has always seemed odd to me. Unlike intelligence, height, physical fitness, etc. blue eyes and blond hair offer no benefit to society. Other than aesthetic taste, if that's what you prefer, it's not important. My dad would be no different if he didn't have blue eyes and blond hair (well, it's been grey for a long time and for the longest time I thought he had had light brown hair, which shows how observant I am) What matters in society are traits that have a meaningful effect on society. Everything else is superficial.

Moving on: Blond hair is a trait that popped among northern Europeans, but is not limited to northern Europeans. Berbers, especially Riff Berbers because of their isolation, have high rates of Blond hair, more so than southern Europeans. There is no connection between Nordids and Berbers. Occasionally it pops up here and there. Red hair can be occasionally found in Syria and Lebanon, with no connection to Nordids because red hair is actually a Cromagnid trait.

There is no European group that can be considered racially mixed. You can spend all day looking for studies showing European groups that are racially mixed and you'll find nothing except insignificant Negroid influence, and a bit in other slave trading nations, in southern Spain and some significant Negroid admixture (estimated 10% of MtDNA) in southern Portugal (which is not heavily populated), and some insignificant Mongoloid ancestry far into Eastern Europe.

[Alison]

Real impressive. :rolleyes:
You managed to jumble together both feminist garbage and niggerly insults about the size of my dick.

Like the worthless cunt that you are, you seem to think that you have the authority to decide what an "upright White man" should or shouldn't do. Stuff your fucking man-hating bullshit, and get the fuck back in the kitchen where you belong.

The last thing I am is a feminist.

I apologise for the insults about the size of your penis from niggars. I retract that remark, and change it to include all whores, white or otherwise.

I am only a worthless cunt to you because you don't actually know what a cunt is, unless you look in the mirror, and that image probably depresses you so much that you don't do it that often.

I definitely do not hate men. Most of them delight me. An upright man of any race determination, should never call a woman a cunt in any medium, and as I hang around with some really good people, not one has called me a cunt in real life. The only people who have called me a cunt on any forum have been you and 6KILLER, and he apologised for that.

I suggest, little man, that you go back to the hole you crawled out of and reflect deeply on why you feel the need to attack white women or any other woman on an internet forum.

Whilst you are reflecting, make sure that your hands are off your cock. Wanking never led a man to any serious thinking, except for his own instant gratification, which usually lasts for about 4.28 seconds.

[Zed]

Don't just read Oppenheimer's stuff and definitely do not rely on the BBC for information about a controversial topic like this, Ngrh8r. They'd have you believing that niggers have lived in Europe for thousands of years. I'm very dubious of studies that claim to show what Todd seems to be claiming that Great Britain has little germanic heritage. The alleged connection to "Spain" is from the Last Ice Age when Paleolithic Man waited out the LGM in a refuge there. There were two other refuges, one in the Balkans and the other in the vicinity of the Ukraine. There are some threads on this topic down in the History subforum.

[Jaybird]

Julian Lee is a faggot.

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[Captain Snuggles]

Don't just read Oppenheimer's stuff and definitely do not rely on the BBC for information about a controversial topic like this, Ngrh8r.

It's not just Oppenheimer. What about Sykes? Who should he read? Throw him, and me, a bone.

They'd have you believing that niggers have lived in Europe for thousands of years. I'm very dubious of studies that claim to show what Todd seems to be claiming that Great Britain has little germanic heritage.

I never heard anyone say that Negroids have lived in Europe for thousands of years. I'm curious, where did you hear that?

I'm not Todd, and I don't make claims. I only produce what professionals state. If you have someone producing a counter claim than present it and we can go over it. I also stated the Germanic heritage is dependant on the area of Britain.

The alleged connection to "Spain" is from the Last Ice Age when Paleolithic Man waited out the LGM in a refuge there. There were two other refuges, one in the Balkans and the other in the vicinity of the Ukraine. There are some threads on this topic down in the History subforum.

You're giving the impression that I was passing false information. There is no "alleged" connection to what is called modern day Spain. The connection has been proven by genetic studies. What occured is what I already stated, selection. I made that very clear in paranthesis.

[Zed]

I simply wanted to warn Ngrh8r that the BBC and Oppenheimer were not unbiased sources. Much of this kind of information is presented in a very slanted fashion to promote the pc agenda. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I thought you were dishonest.

You're giving the impression that I was passing false information. There is no "alleged" connection to what is called modern day Spain. The connection has been proven by genetic studies. What occured is what I already stated, selection. I made that very clear in paranthesis.

And other studies like the Blood of the Vikings emphasize the germanic influence. I don't think the last word is in with these studies because the entire population of the islands or Europe hasn't been studied yet.


I tell you what I would be interested in seeing is a good explanation in layman's terms of exactly how they determine how old a mutation is and where a mutation originates. Would you be interested in posting about that?

[Captain Snuggles]

I tell you what I would be interested in seeing is a good explanation in layman's terms of exactly how they determine how old a mutation is and where a mutation originates. Would you be interested in posting about that?

I'm not familiar with the process of determining how long ago a mutation may have occurred since I find the basics boring. I'm only interested in the results, which relates to what I am interested in, which is history and ancestry. What I do understand is mutations are just accidents that occur rarely in each generation and those that are beneficial, or just considered sexually attractive, eventually spread out into the group.

I don't remember where I read this but I recall reading that blond hair was a good indicator that a woman was young and fertile because it was visible and the rest of the woman's body was wrapped up because of the cold. I guess that's a good example of a mutation being beneficial. Although I suspect there is more to it.

[Zed]

Dang, I was kind of hoping you would be able to clear that up. The mechanics of it are pretty boring for sure. I'm a little dubious of the accuracy of some of their claims, just because of the pc thing. Like that claim that they'd found a nigger's descendants in Yorshire. They reckoned that he had lived back in the 1700's or something and their evidence was a "polymorphism" that was only found in SubSaharan Africa. Since they didn't have any other evidence for the existence of this Hottentot in 18th century Yorkshire, how the fuck do they know that the presence of the gene in SSA wasn't from some horny jack tar banging a she boon?

[Shanemac]

More evidence that Shanemac is a complete retard:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/355/douchebagky7.jpg

Pos-repping me when you intended to neg-rep. Thank you for further distinguishing yourself as one of the biggest toolbags on the 'net.


Whoops, my mistake. Not to worry, I'll fix that up by sending you another 2 neg reps.

[Ahmadinebobina]

I regret being mean to Shane because I know now - correct me if I'm mistaken - that he came from MSF and is not a 'racialist' and thus can carry on with whomever he likes.

[Captain Snuggles]

I'm a little dubious of the accuracy of some of their claims, just because of the pc thing. Like that claim that they'd found a nigger's descendants in Yorshire. They reckoned that he had lived back in the 1700's or something and their evidence was a "polymorphism" that was only found in SubSaharan Africa. Since they didn't have any other evidence for the existence of this Hottentot in 18th century Yorkshire, how the fuck do they know that the presence of the gene in SSA wasn't from some horny jack tar banging a she boon?

It's not far fetched, nor is it important. I remember reading his wife say, "Wow, and all this time I thought he was British." That's a bizzare statement. His Negroid ancestry is insignificant. There are some Euro-Americans walking around with very minimal amounts of Negroid ancestry. It means nothing because it's eventually "bred out" since it's not common.

[Ahmadinebobina]

Still a bit stunned to find out I'm non-white maaahself :P

[Winston]

Need a bigger copy of the photo to be sure, bob.

[The Green Man]

Dang, I was kind of hoping you would be able to clear that up. The mechanics of it are pretty boring for sure. I'm a little dubious of the accuracy of some of their claims, just because of the pc thing. Like that claim that they'd found a nigger's descendants in Yorshire. They reckoned that he had lived back in the 1700's or something and their evidence was a "polymorphism" that was only found in SubSaharan Africa. Since they didn't have any other evidence for the existence of this Hottentot in 18th century Yorkshire, how the fuck do they know that the presence of the gene in SSA wasn't from some horny jack tar banging a she boon?
I'm extremely skeptical that they can date a mutation to within a century. This is just from my layman's reading of stuff like Richard Dawkins, where he talked about tracing and dating mutations with to within an accuracy of +/- thousands of years at best. Perhaps they just figure out what % of Negro DNA someone has and just assume that if he's, say 6.25% (1/16th) then it must be either one great-great-grandparent, or two great-great-great-grandparents, or whatever, meaning that it has to be 100+ years ago and so on.

[Ahmadinebobina]

Need a bigger copy of the photo to be sure, bob.

Nah, I'll come to accept being an Arab. There are pro's I'm sure.

[Mandalore]

A few words for the record:

I have spent way too much time on VNN, and I admit that I need to do more reading that isn't biased towards what I want to hear.

I still think Nordics are the purest Whites, and by that I mean real racial Nordics. Nobody with any sense gives two shits and a fuck about Germany or the Nazis. Hitler was a piece of shit.

Nobody(not me, anyway) is saying Nordics are better. I'm not even saying they're better looking. All that White nationalism shit is fucking retarded. I don't have all that much more in common with an Italian or even an Irishman than I do with a goddamn Croatian. "White" isn't a fucking nation, so there can't be any nationalism.

About half of the shit I've said in this thread the past couple days is just a troll job. A minor display of ignorance on my part resulted in people getting all bent out of shape, so I said, "fuck it" and just ran with it. Blow me if you don't like it, because I know some of you were getting a laugh out of it.

Ali, you're still a cunt. A mob of niggers is going to get their paws on you one day. A woman with a mouth like yours might even enjoy it, at least until they start cutting you up for the stewpot.

[Ahmadinebobina]

It wasn't really funny though - your opinions on Irish people having to have red or blonde hair. Trolling it may have been but it really didn't have any discernible humour in it that people could have enjoyed.. imo.

Sincerely,
The girl who made ngr think Irish people aren't very white.

[billy_boatrocker]

I don't like the over-the-top "black" style of singing with excessive flourishes, it is even worse coming from whites who imitate it. ..........Yes, it is impressive vocal control, but controlled chaos it isn't nice to listen to, IMO.

Melisma. It's annoying as hell. A technique that has become over-used, cliche and very popular. I don't think they could sing Old MacDonald Had a Farm without overdoing it on the melisma.

[Mandalore]

I still think the Irish are supposed to have red hair. I know it's stupid, goddamnit, but that and freckles were the only traits I knew to identify the relatively few micks I grew up around.

People make dumb mistakes and have crazy ideas. I don't know why it seems to bother you so much. Shit, I had some fucking Orthodox yid ask me if I was a goddamn Jew the other day. Don't take personal offense just because some people are clearly less than skilled at identifying Caucasian sub-groups.

[Ahmadinebobina]

...and as you grew up and found out that your opinion of Ireland as a land of rusty leprauchans was not true why did you not change it? It's imbecilic.

It's marginally offensive because you basically used my picture to decide that the whole nation of Ireland must be less white than others. I certainly do not look that 'foreign'.

[O'Zebedee]

...and as you grew up and found out that your opinion of Ireland as a land of rusty leprauchans was not true why did you not change it?

People certainly have the most ridiculous notions about the Emerald Isle - I know that before I went there I nurtured a horribly stereotyped image of the place, and when I first touched down I was shocked to see that Ireland really wasn't the assembly of cliches that we North Americans think it is.

After being picked up from the ferry station by a lovely old man named Fergus:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/old-man.jpg

we were brought into Dublin, a sleek, thriving, modern city that has still managed to save some of it's quaint charm of yesteryear:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/DowntownDublin.jpg

That's downtown Dublin, by the way - at night the street is filled with revelry and singing, horsecarts, roasted chestnut sellers and fiddle players. Mornings I would spend with a cup of tea and the hostel owner's dogs, just sitting in the backyard watching the fishing ships ply their trade:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/backyardIreland.png

Each afternoon we had to somehow squeeze by endless dance troops twirling their way through the streets:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/DSCN0044_irishdancers_e.jpg

When we weren't checking out the many sites to be found in the city and surrounding environs, we were celebrating with the always musical Irish people, as they spun out their Celtic sorrow in song:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/pubmusic.jpg

That's me in the striped shirt - my ex, Julie, is in red, the Japanese woman another tourist enchanted by the seemingly effortless way in which the denizens of Eire would burst into song. Look at that smile on my face! Only a nation as welcoming as the Irish would get me to grin so wide - it's as though all care had left me.

Eventually we met the Lord of the Islands, a stern yet friendly man who ruled his subjects with wisdom and kindness. He invited us to stay a few days at his castle in Donegal, where we roamed the magical valleys, chuckling to ourselves about the possibility of finding a leprechaun's "pot of gold."

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/castle.jpg

I don't think that I've ever had a better time anywhere than that enchanted island, though by the end I sure wish that our diet there was a little less rich!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/IrishPubFood.jpg

[Jaybird]

That's one stereotype that is true. I've never been to Ireland, but I go to an Irish pub (no, not the generic sports bar with an Irish name) where all the bartenders are from Belfast and a lot of ex-pats hang out. They never stop singing. Every fucking song. My best friend tries to stump them by putting hair metal ballads you haven't heard in twenty years on the jukebox. Nope, they know those too.

[Zed]

I'm extremely skeptical that they can date a mutation to within a century. This is just from my layman's reading of stuff like Richard Dawkins, where he talked about tracing and dating mutations with to within an accuracy of +/- thousands of years at best. Perhaps they just figure out what % of Negro DNA someone has and just assume that if he's, say 6.25% (1/16th) then it must be either one great-great-grandparent, or two great-great-great-grandparents, or whatever, meaning that it has to be 100+ years ago and so on.

Yeah. And the thing with the polymorphism they found in Yorkshire was that it's a very rare one only found anywhere else in half a dozen or so Hottentots, iirc. It really does make me wonder how they know where it originated. :confused:

[Ahmadinebobina]

People certainly have the most ridiculous notions about the Emerald Isle - I know that before I went there I nurtured a horribly stereotyped image of the place, and when I first touched down I was shocked to see that Ireland really wasn't the assembly of cliches that we North Americans think it is.

After being picked up from the ferry station by a lovely old man named Fergus:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/old-man.jpg

we were brought into Dublin, a sleek, thriving, modern city that has still managed to save some of it's quaint charm of yesteryear:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/DowntownDublin.jpg

That's downtown Dublin, by the way - at night the street is filled with revelry and singing, horsecarts, roasted chestnut sellers and fiddle players. Mornings I would spend with a cup of tea and the hostel owner's dogs, just sitting in the backyard watching the fishing ships ply their trade:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/backyardIreland.png

Each afternoon we had to somehow squeeze by endless dance troops twirling their way through the streets:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/DSCN0044_irishdancers_e.jpg

When we weren't checking out the many sites to be found in the city and surrounding environs, we were celebrating with the always musical Irish people, as they spun out their Celtic sorrow in song:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/pubmusic.jpg

That's me in the striped shirt - my ex, Julie, is in red, the Japanese woman another tourist enchanted by the seemingly effortless way in which the denizens of Eire would burst into song. Look at that smile on my face! Only a nation as welcoming as the Irish would get me to grin so wide - it's as though all care had left me.

Eventually we met the Lord of the Islands, a stern yet friendly man who ruled his subjects with wisdom and kindness. He invited us to stay a few days at his castle in Donegal, where we roamed the magical valleys, chuckling to ourselves about the possibility of finding a leprechaun's "pot of gold."

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/castle.jpg

I don't think that I've ever had a better time anywhere than that enchanted island, though by the end I sure wish that our diet there was a little less rich!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/ozebedee/IrishPubFood.jpg

Damn you Zeb, Ngr is going to think I was lying now :(

[Mandalore]

While I agree that white nationalism is generally retarded, there is no historical precedent for the idea that one needs an extant nation to be a nationalist. German nationalists, Italian nationalists, and so forth existed long before a German or Italian nation existed. In fact, such nations as we know them today probably would not exist if not for the efforts of nationalists acting on behalf of their respective "nations" that technically did not yet exist. It's a proto-nationalist movement, whatever its flaws.

You make a good point, but I still think that basing nationalism on skin color generally dooms a movement from the beginning.

An American or British nation based on people of Euro culture and ethnicity would not only be feasable, it was a reality before the Jew got involved. A nation based purely on "Whiteness" will never happen.