@ 88mm

[Alison]

Neg-rep bomb me all you like, saying, "get raped" and "get AIDS". It just goes to show what a total tosser you really are.

I reckon the only people on this board who would rape me, or any other women, and inflict them with AIDS would be you and Mandy.

[Lenny]

88mmFag shows his high level of honor yet again :sipcoffee:

[Alison]

Nice to see that Prac also wants me to get raped. What are these tossheads all about?

I'd like to see them get raped. Go bubba!

[Pracownik stał]

Nice to see that Prac also wants me to get raped. What are these tossheads all about?

I'd like to see them get raped. Go bubba!

Stick a sock in it, you ol' bat.

[Lenny]

Stick a sock in it, you ol' bat.Is 88mmPhora paying you say that? :lmao:

[Dynamite Dan]

I am aware that Britains borders are uncontrolled, but why is this fucking thread in the Last Resort? :mad:

[Alison]

Stick a sock in it, you ol' bat.

Why should I? You have just neg repped me saying I should get raped. It's not my fault that you are a child who loves the rape scenario because he isn't getting anything himself.

At 13, you really should be focusing on your studies; trying to be a better man. After all, you will soon have a penis big enough to go out there and rape women, so rather go out and rape them with a good education behind you so you don't get caught.

[Pracownik stał]

Is 88mmPhora paying you say that? :lmao:

Wish he was. Say, not a bad idea, Lenny. Got any money to spare? I'll play e-mercenary if the price is right.

[Alison]

I am aware that Britains borders are uncontrolled, but why is this fucking thread in the Last Resort? :mad:

Cos, dollink, I didn't know where else to put it. Sorry. It is my last resort. :(

[Pracownik stał]

Why should I? You have just neg repped me saying I should get raped. It's not my fault that you are a child who loves the rape scenario because he isn't getting anything himself.

At 13, you really should be focusing on your studies; trying to be a better man. After all, you will soon have a penis big enough to go out there and rape women, so rather go out and rape them with a good education behind you so you don't get caught.

You like typing penis, don't you?

[88mmFlaK]

Neg-rep bomb me all you like, saying, "get raped" and "get AIDS". It just goes to show what a total tosser you really are.

I reckon the only people on this board who would rape me, or any other women, and inflict them with AIDS would be you and Mandy.


You should have minded yer own damn business, ya weenie.

Don't make me photoshop you. :heartthrob:

[Alison]

You like typing penis, don't you?

Penis is the correct word for a part of the human anatomy. Would you prefer I say something else?

[Pracownik stał]

Penis is the correct word for a part of the human anatomy. Would you prefer I say something else?

You like discussing penis, don't you?

[gmork]

Errm, Prak, hate to break this to you, but you seem to be just as fixated on wangs as she is over the course of this thread.

And, ffs can't one of the 243 mods this place has dump this thread into the Alley?

[88mmFlaK]

Alison deconstructed:

Oh noes!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2453/ohnoesmk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Think of the CHILDREN!

[Lenny]

88mmFlak = Troll.

[Pracownik stał]

Errm, Prak, hate to break this to you, but you seem to be just as fixated on wangs as she is over the course of this thread.


You enjoy discussing wangs, don't you? :p

[88mmFlaK]

http://piratenews.org/joe-camel-is-a-penis-says-edward-bernays.jpg

[MASTY]

As this thread is directed at an Admin of the Phora, this is where this thread now resides, in the Circle of Crust.

:sf:

[PvtTitus]

You go to the bar to escape a bit and have drink.... and there is a wife 'bot bitching :nono:

:period: :disagree:

[WFHermans]

88mmFag is exposed as a filthy kike-alike for calling for the rape of a white woman. Torturing animals often leads to worse.

[apocales]

88mmFag is exposed as a filthy kike-alike for calling for the rape of a white woman. Torturing animals often leads to worse.

Link? Proof?

[Jake Featherston]

Link? Proof?

Hermans (and Lenny) just make everything up.

[ZOG]

Neg-rep bomb me all you like, saying, "get raped" and "get AIDS". It just goes to show what a total tosser you really are.

I reckon the only people on this board who would rape me, or any other women, and inflict them with AIDS would be you and Mandy.

While doing that shows little class life is hard on the thin skinned...

[WFHermans]

Objecting to rape is not being "thin skinned".

Promoting rape, as 88mmFag does in his user comments, is a sure sign of criminal insanity.

[The Green Man]

Low class, and yet another example of why rep systems should be abandoned. Numerous "get raped" rep-bombing campaigns plague the Phora. I'm surprised to find FlaK participating.

[WFHermans]

A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat. Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

[Prozium]

Neg-rep bomb me all you like, saying, "get raped" and "get AIDS". It just goes to show what a total tosser you really are. I reckon the only people on this board who would rape me, or any other women, and inflict them with AIDS would be you and Mandy.

He's from "The Phora." What else do you expect? It is stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 with that guy. Really, that's all he is capable of.

[Eric Cartman]

Cos, dollink, I didn't know where else to put it. Sorry. It is my last resort. :(

Interesting enough, that is EXACTLY what you would hear after having been raped.

[Ahmadinebobina]

I always find flakky very nice.

[88mmFlaK]

He's from "The Phora." What else do you expect? It is stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 with that guy. Really, that's all he is capable of.

I wonder what 'Prozium' considers the phishing of his own member's passwords and login attempts by disabling encryption on his own forum, dumping the passwords into a text file, and employing them so that he and his sycophants can use them to hijack their email accounts, out their vital personal info, and commit cybervandalism with, that information which belongs to their rightful owners? Then, lying through his rotten teeth to everyone by proclaiming that he had nothing to do with this, and that 'the bitch raped herself'. THAT is degeneracy in action.

Telling someone to 'get AIDS' or 'get raped' in a rep message after their 2000th stupid post, is the equivalent to telling them to 'get fucked'.

What 'Prozium' does, is that he actually cyber-rapes them. When you're the internet version of Michael Milken, you have no moral highground to be castigating someone for throwing pennies at a retard.

http://www.thephora.net/Lyceum-scopevision.zip

[WFHermans]

Rape is the only way for a 300 lb lawnmower to get laid.

[IlluSionS667]

Everyone, grow up!

Isn't it ironic to see Fade describe The Phora as stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 on Stumble Inn?! :D


:beerbang:

[Alison]

He's from "The Phora." What else do you expect? It is stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 with that guy. Really, that's all he is capable of.

Indeed!

[Alison]

Interesting enough, that is EXACTLY what you would hear after having been raped.

I beg your pardon? Where would you hear that after a rape, an dwho would say that?

[Alison]

I wonder what 'Prozium' considers the phishing of his own member's passwords and login attempts by disabling encryption on his own forum, dumping the passwords into a text file, and employing them so that he and his sycophants can use them to hijack their email accounts, out their vital personal info, and commit cybervandalism with, that information which belongs to their rightful owners? Then, lying through his rotten teeth to everyone by proclaiming that he had nothing to do with this, and that 'the bitch raped herself'. THAT is degeneracy in action.

Telling someone to 'get AIDS' or 'get raped' in a rep message after their 2000th stupid post, is the equivalent to telling them to 'get fucked'.

What 'Prozium' does, is that he actually cyber-rapes them. When you're the internet version of Michael Milken, you have no moral highground to be castigating someone for throwing pennies at a retard.

http://www.thephora.net/Lyceum-scopevision.zip

Telling someone to get fucked is NOT the same as telling someone to get raped.

Rape is a violation of someone's body - of their rights. Telling someone to get fucked is like telling them to piss off. Telling someone to get AIDS is wishing a death sentence on that person.

It's obscene and immature.

I will take the moral highground when I feel it is called for, and castigate anyone who thinks that rape is a joke. I'd hate to see any off you jesters have your wives, girlfriends, daughters, sisters or sons raped.

[88mmFlaK]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5412/crybabylr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




Phalluson, grow some skin. Your histrionic, weenie-ish soccermom posting style (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm) is insufferable, and your mother goose coddling of some of the worst, retarded, lie-factory trolls here (to wit: WTFHermans) is retch-inducing stench.

The real tragedy here is that you've spawned. Go get your ovaries removed. You're lowering the mean IQ of the human 'race'.

:greenguy:

[Alison]

The real tragedy here is that you've spawned. Go get your ovaries removed. You're lowering the mean IQ of the human 'race'.

:greenguy:[/QUOTE]


No. The real tragedy is that your mother wasn't a nice lady who didn't get involved with every aspect of your life; wasn't a nurturing, caring mother, and probably was an alcoholic drugged up scum who beat ten tons of shit out of you every day because she hated you just for being born.

That's your problem.

Don't inflict your childhood problems, which probably also include your father who may have been a sicko, on to those of us who are rational, loving parents, who treat their children with love and dignity. Don't also inflict your insanity on those children who are now adults, and who had perfectly normal parents who loved them, because of your jealousy. You need therapy, child.

[6KILLER]

No. The real tragedy is that your mother wasn't a nice lady who didn't get involved with every aspect of your life; wasn't a nurturing, caring mother, and probably was an alcoholic drugged up scum who beat ten tons of shit out of you every day because she hated you just for being born.

That's your problem.

Don't inflict your childhood problems, which probably also include your father who may have been a sicko, on to those of us who are rational, loving parents, who treat their children with love and dignity. Don't also inflict your insanity on those children who are now adults, and who had perfectly normal parents who loved them, because of your jealousy. You need therapy, child.

No the real tragedy is that his mother didn't put a helmet on that soldier 38 years plus 9 months ago.

[Alison]

ROFL, 6! High five! :)

[88mmFlaK]

ROFL, 6! High five! :)

Your legacy of stupid one-line, sub-sentence posts rolls on, unchecked, like the HIV virus multiplying through your host body- 1,280, and c[o]unting

Take your prattle and twaddle to instant messenger with similarly stunted folks, for chrissakes.

[Alison]

I note, with interest, that you respond to, and attack my posts, whilst giving 6's posts a wide berth. Any reason for that?

[Jake Featherston]

He's from "The Phora." What else do you expect? It is stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 with that guy. Really, that's all he is capable of.

Get raped!

[Inventor]

Everyone, grow up!

Isn't it ironic to see Fade describe The Phora as stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 on Stumble Inn?! :D


:beerbang:

What are you trying to say?

[IlluSionS667]

What are you trying to say?

... that Stumble Inn isn't quite known for intellectual discourse, maturity and highbrow culture.

[Wotan]

Stumble Inn is hardly known!

[PvtTitus]

... that Stumble Inn isn't quite known for intellectual discourse, maturity and highbrow culture.

Know by whom? :eyebrow:

[Mandalore]

... that Stumble Inn isn't quite known for intellectual discourse, maturity and highbrow culture.



What the fuck did you say, bitch?!

[IlluSionS667]

What the fuck did you say, bitch?!

I rest my case ;)

[apocales]

... that Stumble Inn isn't quite known for intellectual discourse, maturity and highbrow culture.

Internet highbrow culture is audacious.

[6KILLER]

What the fuck did you say, bitch?!
He's just another university student from phora fags crying about how SI is so low brow, and how phorons in general are so intellectual. Perhaps it should gravitate back over to planet phoron, where everyone is jew brow and edjewcated.

[leopoldbloom]

I don't understand why SIers get defensive when anyone says that SI is lowbrow. Lowbrow isn't a pejorative, particularly if you are opposed to pretentiousness.

[Inventor]

I don't understand why SIers get defensive when anyone says that SI is lowbrow. Lowbrow isn't a pejorative, particularly if you are opposed to pretentiousness.

We're called SInners.

[sugartits]

I don't understand why SIers get defensive when anyone says that SI is lowbrow. Lowbrow isn't a pejorative, particularly if you are opposed to pretentiousness.

for fun thinking of three reasons over here

uno: from assuming the people claiming so consider lowbrow to be a pejorathingy
2 they are being unreasonable
3 frontin'


I have seen phora posters type some very exaggerated nasty words about this place...like this is the forum version of sum kinda slum.
how rude. we are just shootin the shit. the only truly skeezy posters ares mandalore, UA ....and featherstoned some choice weekends. we are all pretty fuckin dumb though, given.

[sugartits]

What the fuck did you say, bitch?!

PENIS

[Aulë]

You know what this thread needs? More than anything? Dead baby jokes!

Q: What's the difference between a dead baby and a golden delicious apple?
A: I don't cum all over the golden delicious apple before I eat it.

Q: What's purple and squeals?
A: A skinned newborn in a bag of salt.

Q: How do you make a dead baby float?
A: Take your foot off it's head.

Q: What's funnier than a dead baby?
A: A dead baby sitting next to a kid with Down's syndrome.

:lmao:

[Helena]

Dead baby jokes are vile. Very low class, unfortunately lots of people I like and respect find some sort of humour in them. I'll never understand it, they make me feel sick.

[The Green Man]

I don't see any Phorons boasting about how intellectual the Phora is. The "high brow" section of the Phora is more pointyheaded than the Lounge, but the low-brow stuff posted there sort of balances things out.

[sugartits]

been a long time since blue dead baby jokes circled aroond


Q: How do you make a dead baby float?
A: Take your foot off it's head.



That would be better as a live baby (in water w/life jacket) joke. A lot of dead baby jokes would be improved if about live, squirming ones.

like this one:

How do you get 20 [dead] babies out of a dumpster?

use a pitchfork.

[sugartits]

Dead baby jokes are vile. Very low class, unfortunately lots of people I like and respect find some sort of humour in them. I'll never understand it, they make me feel sick.

you've got upper middle class womanz sensibilities. :p

[The Green Man]

you've got upper middle class womanz sensibilities. :p
She obviously belongs at the high-brow intamallectual Phora :D

[Prozium]

Everyone, grow up!

Isn't it ironic to see Fade describe The Phora as stupidity, immaturity, and degeneracy 24/7 on Stumble Inn?! :D


:beerbang:

The worst offenders here are 88mmFlak, Jake Featherston, and Ugly American. A year ago, I said that The Phora was degenerating. At the time, I was unaware that Ugly American was pawning his wife out for other men to gangbang.

[88mmFlaK]

Poor 'Prozium' 'just wants to be left alone'. He 'doesn't want anything to do with this forum'. Why do you guys twist his arm to come here, a 'community he has no interest in participating in', to post about 'people he doesn't care about'. Leave 'Prozium' alone; all of his problems disappear when he leaves us behind.

:lol:

[ZOG]

we are all pretty fuckin dumb though, given.

Speak for yourself you stupid bitch, im am da oafishul moderaturd of the skience forum and you will respect my authoritah.

[The Green Man]

The worst offenders here are 88mmFlak, Jake Featherston, and Ugly American. A year ago, I said that The Phora was degenerating. At the time, I was unaware that Ugly American was pawning his wife out for other men to gangbang.
No, the worst offenders in lowering the quality of posts at the Phora were spambot kane and the homo-porn spammers with whom you made common cause. I don't know why you think you can just pretend like no-one remembers what you guys did. Deliberate intrusion into people's privacy is something that anyone posting on race-related forums (or any other arena where controversial politics are debated) should take extremely seriously. I don't feel like pursuing the vendetta myself, but if Flak or anyone else wishes to inform those posting on your blog what you have been up to in the past, it is nothing less than a public service. People have a right to know if their privacy risks being compromised.

[il ragno]

I don't know why you think you can just pretend like no-one remembers what you guys did. Deliberate intrusion into people's privacy is something that anyone posting on race-related forums (or any other arena where controversial politics are debated) should take extremely seriously.

Well, Fade cut his teeth reading PMs, remember. It's part of the overall sense of entitlement common to Bilderberger-wannabes, who view the Internet as their virtual-reality Bohemian Grove.

[Prozium]

I don't feel like pursuing the vendetta myself, but if Flak or anyone else wishes to inform those posting on your blog what you have been up to in the past, it is nothing less than a public service.

We don't have a problem with stupidity, silliness, and degeneracy anymore. Banning the drool cup Phorons was sufficient to solve that problem. In hindsight, we would have been better off doing that from the start.

[88mmFlaK]

We don't have a problem with stupidity, silliness, and degeneracy. Having my kahanist administrator disable encryption on my forum, so that we could harvest our member's passwords, out their identities, harass them in real life, use their moderator permissions at the Phora to commit cyber-vandalism, and then blaming the victim, was a means to that end. In hindsight, we would have been better off doing that from the start when I ran the Phora, but I was too incompetent to keep the site up, let alone hack my member's passwords by myself. I am a degenerate midget, a microfuehrer, and a freak.

Fixed that for you, in the interest of combating degeneracy.

Always good to be forthright and honest, Fade.

[Prozium]

Fixed that for you, in the interest of combating degeneracy.

Just look at you. You're a clown.

Always good to be forthright and honest, Fade.

To be perfectly honest, I think white trash American degenerates belong in concentration camps.

[Petr]

To be perfectly honest, I think white trash American degenerates belong in concentration camps.
In your ideal world, who doesn't?


Petr

[88mmFlaK]

Just look at you. You're a clown.



To be perfectly honest, I think white trash American degenerates belong in concentration camps.

Good then, I wonder when can we expect Prozium Pissant to be the first to don prison garb and voluntarily step aboard the cattle cars on a one-way trip to Bradley-Belsen?

Nothing screams DEGENERATE (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/degenerate) like an incorrigible liar,a password scammer, a stalker, an invader of privacy, and a betrayer of confidence. (http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/)

[Inventor]

Yall need Dr Phil.

[Blitzed]

I don't understand why SIers get defensive when anyone says that SI is lowbrow. Lowbrow isn't a pejorative, particularly if you are opposed to pretentiousness.Agreed. Lowbrow is a great way to unwind. I've never looked down on anyone here, except for Jaybird.

[Prozium]

In your ideal world, who doesn't?

It would do Ugly, Overwatch, and Featherston a lot of good. All jokes aside, I am sure this will interest you:

http://blog.odessa-syndicate.com/2008/04/05/end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/

[88mmFlaK]

It would do Ugly, Overwatch, and Featherston a lot of good. All jokes aside, I am sure this will interest you:

http://blog.odessa-syndicate.com/2008/04/05/end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/

If folks feel that they must visit that link above, which was posted by the Midget, they should use a proxy unless they want the two password and identity thieves(one of whom is a kahanist IT major at YCP, the other is the Midget himself) who operate that site to log their IP information. You may as well be handing Michael Milken your social security number.

http://anonymouse.org/

I think that, in hindsight of the Midget's known phishing activities, links to the current incarnation of the cockroach den now known as odessa-syndicate.com should be censored, so as to protect people from having thier info exploited by the degenerates who run that place. The main reason the Midget is coming here is to spam links to his Phish Pharm.

[bardamu]

god knows I want no part of this feud, admiring and respecting various people from both sides as I do, but I feel like saying the Odessa Syndicate is a great blog.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Because the phora is clearly a low quality forum, I fail to see how kane could have lowered it. After all, he is cognitively superior to the drama queens who, out of their own inferiority complex, attempt to portray him as some neadrathal. If anything, the phora lowered kane's quality of posting.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The phora is a useless echo chamber of people who are at best average intelligence. Hail the heroic enemies such as kane, beria, fade, even ixabert, who resisted the degredation in quality. Kane pointed out that the forum was declining in quality long before he was banned. It turns out the cause for this was that Fade was substituted for 88mfag, charlie boy, and a third homosexual admin. Not knowing that this switch had taken place, kane could still sense the drop off in quality. hail the enemies of the phora. The phora is not, and will not ever be, on par with the intellectual level of the people who broke away from it.

[bardamu]

The phora is a useless echo chamber of people who are at best average intelligence. Hail the heroic enemies such as kane, beria, fade, even ixabert, who resisted the degredation in quality. Kane pointed out that the forum was declining in quality long before he was banned. It turns out the cause for this was that Fade was substituted for 88mfag, charlie boy, and a third homosexual admin. Not knowing that this switch had taken place, kane could still sense the drop off in quality. hail the enemies of the phora. The phora is not, and will not ever be, on par with the intellectual level of the people who broke away from it.

Fade is the only one with any "intellectual level" to speak of.

[The Libertine]

I have seen phora posters type some very exaggerated nasty words about this place...like this is the forum version of sum kinda slum.
how rude. we are just shootin the shit. the only truly skeezy posters ares mandalore, UA ....and featherstoned some choice weekends. we are all pretty fuckin dumb though, given.

shut up, slut.

But seriously, even though I was only a dabbler before, my current capacity to know about, or even care about the weighty issues of the day is very much diminished. I always feel fatigued and drained. I think Julian is right. It's all the malicious succubi who only want my pure essence, though more observation in the field is required before I can reach a firm conclusion.

[Johnny Bravo]

I reckon the only people on this board who would rape me, or any other women, and inflict them with AIDS would be you and Mandy.

Well, to be perfectly honest... I'd bang you in a heartbeat, Ali. :sex:

[88mmFlaK]

The phora is a useless echo chamber of people who are at best average intelligence. Hail the heroic enemies such as kane, beria, fade, even ixabert, who resisted the degredation in quality. Kane pointed out that the forum was declining in quality long before he was banned. It turns out the cause for this was that Fade was substituted for 88mfag, charlie boy, and a third homosexual admin. Not knowing that this switch had taken place, kane could still sense the drop off in quality. hail the enemies of the phora. The phora is not, and will not ever be, on par with the intellectual level of the people who broke away from it.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to the identity of this female impersonator?

:kane123123:

[Mike]

Because the phora is clearly a low quality forum, I fail to see how kane could have lowered it. After all, he is cognitively superior to the drama queens who, out of their own inferiority complex, attempt to portray him as some neadrathal. If anything, the phora lowered kane's quality of posting.

Go suck a fat cock.

[Jake Featherston]

I think that, in hindsight of the Midget's known phishing activities, links to the current incarnation of the cockroach den now known as odessa-syndicate.com should be censored, so as to protect people from having thier info exploited by the degenerates who run that place. The main reason the Midget is coming here is to spam links to his Phish Pharm.

I think this is an excellent suggestion, both esthetically, and in terms of personal responsibility to the uninformed innocents who may tomorrow register here. It should be standard practice at any respectable board where The Midget is a known commodity, in fact.

[Jake Featherston]

Go suck a fat cock.

No, no, you're going about it all wrong; Kane LOVES the cock. Wave some pussy in his face, and that'll send his scampering back underneath The Midget's skirts. Unless maybe it were his sister's....

[IlluSionS667]

He's just another university student from phora fags crying about how SI is so low brow, and how phorons in general are so intellectual.

I didn't mention The Phora.

Personally, I don't think too much of internet forums in general. Many real life discussions or books are far superior to any forum discussion. The only reasons I'm still using forums like these, is my not always having something to do at work and these things being so damn addictive. Stumble Inn is just a bit more lowbrow than most other forums (including The Phora).

The worst offenders here are 88mmFlak, Jake Featherston, and Ugly American.

88mmFlak's posts aren't always tasteful nor a showcase of intelligence, but the same is true for WFHermans and other buddies of yours. I don't know Ugly American well enough to judge and I don't see what's wrong with Jake Featherston. In fact, I find Jake Featherston to be one of the most reasonable and sensible people at The Phora.

A year ago, I said that The Phora was degenerating.

So? Your own "The Lyceum" didn't manage to be anything but a phoney phishing operation. There was barely any intellectual discourse going on out there. At least The Phora has SOME interesting threads going ;)

At the time, I was unaware that Ugly American was pawning his wife out for other men to gangbang.

He was?

We don't have a problem with stupidity, silliness, and degeneracy anymore. Banning the drool cup Phorons was sufficient to solve that problem. In hindsight, we would have been better off doing that from the start.

At The Lyceum, being a member of The Phora was enough to get banned and being banned at The Phora was enough to become a moderator. Besides that, people were actually banned for being female. Those are the stupidist forum policies I've ever seen and you very well knew I was critical about that, even while I was a moderator myself.

To be perfectly honest, I think white trash American degenerates belong in concentration camps.

Everyone already knew you were a narcistic, sociopathic rich kid with too much time and money. Thank you for confirming this.

god knows I want no part of this feud, admiring and respecting various people from both sides as I do, but I feel like saying the Odessa Syndicate is a great blog.

Maybe. The problem is that few people know that blog and the involvement of sociopaths like Fade, Kane or Ixabert has been damaging for any good project in the past. Those wasting their energy on that board should rather join Altermedia, Indymedia or one of the Third Positionist blogs out there.

Because the phora is clearly a low quality forum, I fail to see how kane could have lowered it. After all, he is cognitively superior to the drama queens who, out of their own inferiority complex, attempt to portray him as some neadrathal. If anything, the phora lowered kane's quality of posting.

Kane is an OK poster, but the influence of Ixabert and Fade have seriously screwed him up.

The phora is a useless echo chamber of people who are at best average intelligence. Hail the heroic enemies such as kane, beria, fade, even ixabert, who resisted the degredation in quality

"Hail the heroic enemies such as kane, beria, fade, even ixabert"?!?!?!

Ixabert and Fade are two of the most arrogant and narrowminded folks I've seen on internet forums and many of their forum posts are plain rubbish. Especially Ixabert barely seems capable of saying something intelligent.

Beria and Kane write some OK posts every now and then, but they're hardly the "heroic enemies" you claim they are.

Kane pointed out that the forum was declining in quality long before he was banned.

I was pointing out that the forum was declining back in the beginning of 2006. No one was listening to me back then, Kane and Fade included!

It turns out the cause for this was that Fade was substituted for 88mfag, charlie boy, and a third homosexual admin.

Actually, Fade left out of his own free will AFTER the forum had already started deteriorating. When it gained some more popularity, Fade wanted to take over the forum again, but 88mmFlak and Stan refused. Ever since then, Fade has been filled with rage against The Phora and he's been trying to do anything in his power to destroy it. THAT's what really happened.

The phora is not, and will not ever be, on par with the intellectual level of the people who broke away from it.

Actually, the vast majority of folks on both sides is probably of average intelligence or slightly higher. I hang out with intellectuals exclusively and rarely encounter anyone remotely as intelligent as most of my friends.

Fade is the only one with any "intellectual level" to speak of.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Pasdaran]

How dare Illusions bash SI for being "low brow". :disagree:

[IlluSionS667]

How dare Illusions bash SI for being "low brow". :disagree:

SI was never indended to be High Brow and most of its members have no problems accepting its Low Brow nature.

[Jake Featherston]

Fade left out of his own free will AFTER the forum had already started deteriorating. When it gained some more popularity, Fade wanted to take over the forum again, but 88mmFlak and Stan refused. Ever since then, Fade has been filled with rage against The Phora and he's been trying to do anything in his power to destroy it. THAT's what really happened.

Yeah, I imagine that was exactly it.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Believe it or not, it was Fade who originally linked kane to the phora, although its fair to admit that Kane was Jew neutral then. Kane didn't notice the decline until about 2-3 months after his arrival. Therefore its logical to blame it on leadership changes (Unless you try to blame it all on kane, which of course is retarded).

[O'Zebedee]

Kane should take five or six months and write up a 100,000 word essay on the legendary Stumble Inn/Phora/Lyceum war, getting all of the facts and the timeline straight so that future posters can not only understand the ground shaking issues at stake, but the way in which this important moment in internet history forever changed interactions on these boards.

It's essential that the truth be captured now, just months after the epochal battle, so that our children's children's children will have the testament of an unjaundiced eye to look at.

[PvtTitus]

...will have the testament of an unjaundiced eye to look at.

Not bad. Very risque to end a sentence with a preposition. http://stumbleinn.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[O'Zebedee]

I ended it with a plea - a plea for peace, love and understanding.

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[Pasdaran]

One who hangs out with intellectuals exclusively can only be unimpressed by your gibberish.

Anybody looking for intellectualism online,wouldn't be bothering with these forums to begin with. ;)

[Pasdaran]

I don't even think IllusionS reads the posts that contain actual argument over issues. Certainly the forum could do better*, but we have a limited number of posters and we won't ban people for gutter posting even after they're voted off of the island.

* Johnny Bravo, FlaK, bardamu, Macrobius, etc., should post more. Someone should steal T777 and resurrect SteamshipTime. And we should still ban the total retards.

Johnny Bravo is busy with his personal life.

[Zed]

I hang out with intellectuals exclusively

Sounds like a fate worse than death. :disagree:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Kane fully admits that a few of his posts were trash. He was not particularly trolling, he just is an asshole and he was being himself. However, since the phora is a forum of assholes, he should have fit right in. Low quality posts belong on low quality forums. Furthermore, kane now, is a better writer than kane was then. That is probably why prozium is not removing him. Some people find the right ideologies and writing style through trial and error. In addition, a lot of kane's lower posts were written in retaliation to stupid posts. In other words, he lowered himself to his competition.

That being said, kane, even then, was not the poor poster everyone says he was. He just happened to get pounced on because of the inferiority complex of his competition.

[O'Zebedee]

Things are lookin' pretty good these days at the ol' Stumble Inn.

[apocales]

Kane fully admits that a few of his posts were trash. He was not particularly trolling, he just is an asshole and he was being himself. However, since the phora is a forum of assholes, he should have fit right in. Low quality posts belong on low quality forums. Furthermore, kane now, is a better writer than kane was then. That is probably why prozium is not removing him. Some people find the right ideologies and writing style through trial and error. In addition, a lot of kane's lower posts were written in retaliation to stupid posts. In other words, he lowered himself to his competition.

That being said, kane, even then, was not the poor poster everyone says he was. He just happened to get pounced on because of the inferiority complex of his competition.

Why are you talking in third person?

[O'Zebedee]

It's a cyber trend among a few elite posters with big IQs.

[Aulë]

Originally Posted by Jasmin63
Because the phora is clearly a low quality forum, I fail to see how kane could have lowered it. After all, he is cognitively superior to the drama queens who, out of their own inferiority complex, attempt to portray him as some neadrathal. If anything, the phora lowered kane's quality of posting.

:lmao:

You are profoundly retarded, Kane. Do you think this is fooling anyone? It's not.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

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[Helios Panoptes]

Kane, are you still going to be posting about this lone accomplishment when you're 35? Give it a rest. It's not so great that we need to hear about it for months on end.

[88mmFlaK]

Kane, are you still going to be posting about this lone accomplishment when you're 35? Give it a rest. It's not so great that we need to hear about it for months on end.

Hopefully as long as he pilfers oxygen, he'll continue to gloat about his password phishing and identity theft in the service of Prozium/Fade, using the gayest third-person style imaginable. It makes my job of warning others much easier.

[Jake Featherston]

Kane fully admits that a few of his posts were trash. He was not particularly trolling, he just is an asshole and he was being himself...Furthermore, kane now, is a better writer than kane was then...In addition, a lot of kane's lower posts were written in retaliation to stupid posts...That being said, kane, even then, was not the poor poster everyone says he was.

Please, tell us, what is it like to be Kane?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

There is a difference between being incompetent, and being indifferent, my friend.

[Hermanric and Horse]

There is a difference between being incompetent, and being indifferent, my friend.Don't be so modest. You can be both.

[Intrepid]

There is a difference between being incompetent, and being indifferent, my friend.

If that were the case, you wouldn't have signed on with with your nickname when in pillowbiter-mode, Freddy.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I had already made this name to take care of some personal business a few weeks ago. So I just reused it. I knew you would know it was me. I was being a smart ass by talking in the third person.

[Aulë]

I had already made this name to take care of some personal business a few weeks ago. So I just reused it. I knew you would know it was me. I was being a smart ass by talking in the third person.

Even funnier when I'm stoned. :lmao:

Seriously though, I take back what I said about you Kane. You're only mildly - not proufoundly - retarded and as such, I can't bring myself to make fun of you anymore. My sister has had cerebral palsy all her life and I was raised never to make fun of those who are genuinely mentally handicapped - like yourself.

Have your parents placed you in a workshop program yet? They can allow individuals such as yourself the opportunity to enter the workforce, albeit at their own pace and in an environment properly adapted to suit their special needs. My mother, who works for just such an institution, has told me of a few high-functioning Down's syndrome kids that have actually been tought basic programming skills. I think that's amazing.

What do you think, Kane?

[Jake Featherston]

Kane may be more delusional than the Ugly American. The use of a sockpuppet to defend one's actual internet persona might work without detection for someone else, but it cannot work for Kane because the only person stupid enough to defend the content of Kane's posts is himself. That and beginning a post with "Kane fully admits..." gives it away. Not only does Kane write total garbage, but he's too dumb to even pull off the innocent bystander from the internet act effectively.

Yeah, plus little Kaneisms like "neadrathal" tend to give the game away even further. Kane is only capable of writing in one persona, and its immediately recognizable, no matter what name he gives it.

[Jake Featherston]

There is a difference between being incompetent, and being indifferent, my friend.

If you were indifferent, you would register here as "Kane," "Kane123," "Kane_Lives," or some such. The fact you registered under a girl's handle proves you are not indifferent, and were attempting to fool people about your identity. Christ, maybe AlbionMP really isn't the stupidest guy on the Internet....

[Jake Featherston]

What do you think, Kane?

There's been a little retarded midget working at the McDonalds in my hometown (he's probably about 4'10", so technically not a midget, but still), ever since it first opened in 1978. Maybe I should ask him for his email address, and pass it along to Kane?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Again, I registered earlier than this and only posted now (but used the name for other purposes). I used a left over name. So no, your argument that I organized and attempted to trick you is flawed.

It's a nice try. But you still suck. I can say with some certainty that if I was tricking you, you wouldn't know it!

[Jake Featherston]

I can say with some certainty that if I was tricking you, you wouldn't know it!

I doubt I could be tricked by a retard, but I suppose anything's possible....

Hey, the last time we spoke, you said something about me and Ixabert were going to destroy each other, while you finished off Pracownik Stal. Then you would come in "to pick up the meat." How did that go, anyway? I never noticed anything, but maybe Ixabert and I destroyed each other without it being brought to my attention, somehow. Prac seeks OK, though.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I already finished off / Prak Stal. Ix and I agreed to mutually drop the fight out of only pragmatic concern, not out of reaching a common agreement.

You may be my bitch later down the line. Although I already got you good with the tranny stuff.

[Jake Featherston]

I already finished off / Prak Stal.

He seems fine to me.

Although I already got you good with the tranny stuff.

Contrary to popular legend, there is no "tranny stuff." I did say that if I'd spent the last 45 minutes making out with a tranny that I had been heavily attracted to (based on the assumption "she" was a real woman), that I'm not sure what my reaction would be when I discovered "she" was not. And I'm still not sure. I've never had that experience, and I haven't the foggiest notion how I would react to it. Anyhow, that little slander campaign was Fade's doing, not yours. Even if I really did have a thing for trannies, that'd be better than having been sodomized several hundred times by Ixabert, like you have been.

[Prozium]

Actually, Fade left out of his own free will AFTER the forum had already started deteriorating. When it gained some more popularity, Fade wanted to take over the forum again, but 88mmFlak and Stan refused. Ever since then, Fade has been filled with rage against The Phora and he's been trying to do anything in his power to destroy it. THAT's what really happened.

1.) I haven't browsed that forum since 2007.

2.) When I quit browsing it months ago, nothing of interest was going on there. It was boring, degenerate, and silly like its owner. That's how I remember it. I found other sites to browse where more interesting commentary was going on.

3.) I don't have the slightest interest in taking over The Phora.

4.) I'm not interested in destroying it either. From my perspective, it is just another boring webforum like DiscussAnything or SlackerCentral. Years ago, I used to post on the former, but I no longer follow it or associate with people from there.

5.) When the Phorons show up on Odessa Syndicate, I ban the ones who detract from the place, who would turn my blog into another eyesore. There is no Shoutbox, flame wars, gossip threads, reputation system, degenerates running around, discussion about personalities, banging transsexuals, "General Jack D. Ripper," inane stupidity, Hitler shooting off to Mars on a flying saucer, all the other garbage that comes with "free speech."

It is better this way. Sans Phorons, we have none of these problems anymore. The Lyceum started out on the wrong foot because we included those people. We learned our lesson, hit the reset button, and things are now working out quite nicely for us.

[Jake Featherston]

It is better this way. Sans Phorons, we have none of these problems anymore. The Lyceum started out on the wrong foot because we included those people. We learned our lesson, hit the reset button, and things are now working out quite nicely for us.

Well, goodily-toodilies for you! If its so great at Odessa, why don't you stay over there?

[88mmFlaK]

1.) I haven't browsed that forum since 2007.

2.) When I quit browsing it months ago, nothing of interest was going on there. It was boring, degenerate, and silly like its owner. That's how I remember it. I found other sites to browse where more interesting commentary was going on.

Except when Feyd/Prozium was conducting 'Operation Faggot Invasion' (http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/ScopeVision_%20Observe,%20Discuss,%20and%20Dissent %20against%20the%20collapse%20of%20civilization.%2 0-_%20Faggot%20Invasion.htm)- then he read the Phora and found it amusing. So much for the illusory 'mature' Feyd/Prozium...

3.) I don't have the slightest interest in taking over The Phora.

4.) I'm not interested in destroying it either. From my perspective, it is just another boring webforum like DiscussAnything or SlackerCentral. Years ago, I used to post on the former, but I no longer follow it or associate with people from there.

Like the rest of the perfume-scented turds that Feyd/Prozium is fond of vomiting forth from his piehole, they don't fare well against the ugly truth which was finnegled forth from under Feyd's drooling fratboy chin:

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00001.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00002.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00003.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00004.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00005.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00006.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/plots/feyd-aka-prozium00007.jpg

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/

"Woohoo! Go Auburn!". Diminutive, narcissistic faggot.


It is better this way. Sans Phorons, we have none of these problems anymore. The Lyceum started out on the wrong foot because we attempted to destroy the Phora, we phished our member's passwords and cracked their email accounts, we read all their mail and private messages, we outed and harassed various dissidents, and committed identity theft. We haven't learned our lesson.

Fixed that for you, again.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Yeah, plus little Kaneisms like "neadrathal" tend to give the game away even further. Kane is only capable of writing in one persona, and its immediately recognizable, no matter what name he gives it.
Are you sure you know this? Maybe you don't!'

I'll make an analogy. The Green River killer left some of his bodies in places where he knew they would be found, because he wanted them to be. He also hid some so they were not found. Perhaps Kane is controlling when he is uncovered, and when he is not. Just something to think about. The saying goes "it is no fun if you don't get caught." Perhaps kane is playing the true mind game here, and slipping right under your radar in other personas. This screename had already achieved its purpose weeks before I posted in the thread, so I purposely allowed you to discover it. You may feel smart. But I intentionally gave you evidence. I'll reiterate the fact that you would never have caught me without the help of Ixabert.

And to the imbecile who commented about "basic programming skills," my skills are far from basic. Basic programmers do not get as far as I do. My skills are professional level. I do not like to brag, but I think its fair to say that the average person does not have the ability to do what I do. It takes a certain mix of introversion, discipline, and deductive reasoning skills, and most people don't have it. I admit I am not the best linguist, however that is complicated because I post quickly and do not waste my time correcting errors and spell checking. Some people do not like slow motion. You couldn't fill my shoes, and to be honest, I can only think of 2, Ahknaton and Marcobius, who deserve to be mentioned in my league. Linguistic skill is only one intellectual trait. Futhermore, the phora itself is a low brow forum, and I find myself to be more among my peers in more intelligent forums such as biodiversity forum, and politics forum, which actually push me to self-improvement due to rigorous debates in the way that the less intellectualized phora cannot.

[Mike]

Go suck a fat cock.

It is better this way. Sans Phorons, we have none of these problems anymore. The Lyceum started out on the wrong foot because we included those people. We learned our lesson, hit the reset button, and things are now working out quite nicely for us.

[Aulë]

Are you sure you know this? Maybe you don't!'

I'll make an analogy. The Green River killer left some of his bodies in places where he knew they would be found, because he wanted them to be. He also hid some so they were not found. Perhaps Kane is controlling when he is uncovered, and when he is not. Just something to think about. The saying goes "it is no fun if you don't get caught." Perhaps kane is playing the true mind game here, and slipping right under your radar in other personas. This screename had already achieved its purpose weeks before I posted in the thread, so I purposely allowed you to discover it. You may feel smart. But I intentionally gave you evidence. I'll reiterate the fact that you would never have caught me without the help of Ixabert.

And to the imbecile who commented about "basic programming skills," my skills are far from basic. Basic programmers do not get as far as I do. My skills are professional level. I do not like to brag, but I think its fair to say that the average person does not have the ability to do what I do. It takes a certain mix of introversion, discipline, and deductive reasoning skills, and most people don't have it. I admit I am not the best linguist, however that is complicated because I post quickly and do not waste my time correcting errors and spell checking. Some people do not like slow motion. You couldn't fill my shoes, and to be honest, I can only think of 2, Ahknaton and Marcobius, who deserve to be mentioned in my league. Linguistic skill is only one intellectual trait. Futhermore, the phora itself is a low brow forum, and I find myself to be more among my peers in more intelligent forums such as biodiversity forum, and politics forum, which actually push me to self-improvement due to rigorous debates in the way that the less intellectualized phora cannot.

Do you have any idea how lame this sounds? No one believes what you say and no one cares what you say, Kane. I am genuinely sorry that you feel the need to constantly impress anonymous strangers on the internet. Just except who you are and try to live your life the best you can.

Btw, you are no where near Macrobius's level. None of us are. I'll let someone else respond to the rest of your post, if they will. I don't really see the need to as our bullshit is so transparent it's almost painful to read.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

In programming, the question is whether he is at my level, not am I at his. I am the standard. I have the classic attributes of the best programmers, from personality type (confirmed by tests I have taken), EQ, introversion, deductive reasoning, and business skill. Good for him if he can match it, but I have my skepticism. Now my personality type, social temperament, and particular type of intelligence is not optimal for EVERY profession. But for programming, yes, I can hang with anybody, can they hang with me?

[Prozium]

Go suck a fat cock.

See what I mean.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I've noticed the phorian tactic : Insult the intelligence of opponents as revenge for inferiority. After all, if you are insulting your opponent, it distracts from the fact that you are inferior.

[Prozium]

Except when Feyd/Prozium was conducting 'Operation Faggot Invasion'- then he read the Phora and found it amusing. So much for the illusory 'mature' Feyd/Prozium...

It is certainly true that many of us were annoyed by your stupidity here last year. If I remember correctly, you were outing real names, posting photographs, publicizing kane's address, hometown, telephone number, etc. That nonsense started back in September when you showed up here to "challenge" us to an internet duel. For a time there, we got sucked into your little messageboard circlejerk, and we "responded" to you when we should have been doing other things. You were taken more seriously than you should have been.

Back in December, we realized this had been a mistake. Immigrants from The Phora were degenerating our messageboard. The time we spent on your ridiculous soap opera had been distracting us from more important matters. Eventually, we came to the conclusion that The Lyceum had been a fatally flawed messageboard, and that our arguments with you had derailed us from what we initially set out to do.

Like the rest of the perfume-scented turds that Feyd/Prozium is fond of vomiting forth from his piehole, they don't fare well against the ugly truth which was finnegled forth from under Feyd's drooling fratboy chin:

The truth is that morons and obvious degenerates, such as yourself, are of no value to us. You're an annoying distraction. If enough of you accumulate in the same place, you repulse intelligent and educated pro-whites like a magnet, and often on purpose. I would recommend a lobotomy, but in your case that seems unnecessary.

I should share with you some of the mail I have been getting. I'm getting responses from all kinds of people. It is stuff like, "I read your blog daily. It is not full of retards like The Phora. I would never post at a place like that."

I got a real kick out of that one. I had to explain that The Phora is run by an infantile high school educated custodian who lives in a trailer in Ohio and an adolescent spambot from Belgium who presents himself as a cartoon from South Park. Last year, "Eric Cartman" confidently predicted that I would be back on The Phora by the summer. It was party time.

No, I closed the book on you guys last year. I don't need you around at all. I'm enjoying the alternative that I am creating too. It keeps getting better.

[Helios Panoptes]

Do you have any idea how lame this sounds?

I don't know what to make of it. It's so ludicrous that I'm inclined to think Kane is killing time by trolling, and there's nothing more to it. The level of insecurity he's displaying is impossible.

And as for Fade, there is no point in talking to him. He will keep hemming and hawing for as long as posters address him about this. His posts read like the transcript of a presidential debate. For example, he gets accused of spamming, trolling, and pass phishing; and he replies that 'it is true that many of us were annoyed,' then he digresses about Kane's grievances without even trying to justify his own behavior (whatever his actions were - he has carefully avoided saying anything specific about them). You might as well try knocking your head against a wall.

[IlluSionS667]

I don't even think IllusionS reads the posts that contain actual argument over issues.

For some time, I did. When I was too disappointed with the quality of the "serious discussions", I stopped posting anywhere besides the "Circle of Crust". That section is just too funny to ignore ;)

I hang out with intellectuals exclusivelySounds like a fate worse than death. :disagree:

It depends. If your favorite passtime is knocking over a few kegs of beer during a football game and pissing off everyone with your drunken behavior, then I understand where you're coming from. If your favorite passtime is organising a cultfilm night with some glasses of fine Scottish Single Malt whiskey and some Dutchies while discussing politics and history in between, then it's quite a different story ;)

Christ, maybe AlbionMP really isn't the stupidest guy on the Internet....

AlbionMP may not be one of the most knowledgable national-socialists around, but I do like many of his posts. He does seem to have at least a basic understanding of his ideology, which is quite rare (especially in the Anglo-Saxon world, where it's hard to find orriginal national-socialist literature).

Therefore I ask : what's wrong with AlbionMP?!?

1.) I haven't browsed that forum since 2007.

Maybe you didn't browse that forum, but you talk about it all the time. Also, 2007 is ONLY 4 months behind us ;)

2.) When I quit browsing it months ago, nothing of interest was going on there. It was boring, degenerate, and silly like its owner. That's how I remember it. I found other sites to browse where more interesting commentary was going on.

There is currently no forum that truely appeals to me, which is why I try to limit my online time and focus on my books, my job, my girlfriend and pretty much everything else. I usually just spend time on forums when I'm at work and I can afford it.

3.) I don't have the slightest interest in taking over The Phora.

Then why do you talk about it all the time?

4.) I'm not interested in destroying it either. From my perspective, it is just another boring webforum like DiscussAnything or SlackerCentral.

At The Lyceum, you barely talked about anything else. People were made moderators for no other reason but being banned on The Phora. Meanwhile, it has become obvious that The Lyceum was just a phishing scam.

You're not fooling anyone here, besides a handful of gullible followers.

5.) When the Phorons show up on Odessa Syndicate, I ban the ones who detract from the place, who would turn my blog into another eyesore.

When I discovered the forum, I signed up under the name of "John Preston" (one of the few times I used an alias), because I was curious to see how you'd handle the next forum and I didn't want to betray my identity. I was curious to see it you could actually handle a forum responsibly. I noticed, however, that my account was deleted before I could even write a single post.

Yet, pathetic individuals like WFHermans (he may claim to be national-socialist, but at least 80% of his posts are worthless) were already part of your community and still are today. This already shows that you ban folks for other reasons.

There is no Shoutbox, flame wars, gossip threads, reputation system, degenerates running around, discussion about personalities, banging transsexuals, "General Jack D. Ripper," inane stupidity, Hitler shooting off to Mars on a flying saucer, all the other garbage that comes with "free speech."

To say there are no degenerates or idiots at your forum is just hilarious. Also, you automatically ban folks like Jake Featherston (I like many of his posts) and myself, while automatically accepting folks like WFHermans. This implies that you select people based on loyalty rather than quality. As such, you'll always have a forum of loyal drones but never a forum of quality.

Second, it's utterly pathetic to keep mentioning stuff like "Hitler shooting off to Mars on a flying saucer" and imply this is the sort of stuff I usually post, while I posted such posts only once in many years and merely as a thought experiment.

So what if you don't have a Shoutbox, flame wars, gossip threads, reputation system, discussion about personalities, banging transsexuals or "General Jack D. Ripper." What's the point when all members are little more but Fade-drones?

Sans Phorons, we have none of these problems anymore. The Lyceum started out on the wrong foot because we included those people. We learned our lesson, hit the reset button, and things are now working out quite nicely for us.

First of all, most of the "Phorons" were banned at The Lyceum. Only those who managed to convince you they were neutral were allowed to stay.

Second, there is only a very limited amount of posts at your forum.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Odessa Syndicate blog is far more active than the lyceum. The forum is relatively inactive, but is starting to go up.

And Illusions, Featherston certainly worked hard to earn the negative disposition he has. He only has himself to blame. You don't particularly annoy me, but you do have phora loyalties and sometimes group cohesion is more important than individual talent. Of course you and I have different ideologies too, but that in itself, is not a problem in a multi-ideological board.

[IlluSionS667]

Perhaps kane is playing the true mind game here, and slipping right under your radar in other personas. This screename had already achieved its purpose weeks before I posted in the thread, so I purposely allowed you to discover it.

Of course, you come up with this AFTER the facts and you have no proof that you're telling the truth.

And to the imbecile who commented about "basic programming skills," my skills are far from basic. Basic programmers do not get as far as I do. My skills are professional level. I do not like to brag, but I think its fair to say that the average person does not have the ability to do what I do.

The average person doesn't program at all. "Basic programming skills" is a reference to those who can build a PHP/MySQL based website with simple commenting features and dynamic content, who can build a simple calculator in HTML/Javascript or who can make a basic accountancy program in VB.net/SQL-server. "Medium programming skills" is something like the ability to build a webshop (compliant with modern secutiry standards) in PHP/MySQL, a 2D network-based RPG game in Java or a bunch of userfriendly custom transactions in SAP. "Expert programming skills" is something like the ability to program your own 3D-engine, your own ERP-package or a fully operatable computergame complaint with current standards.

Two friends of mine are currently involved in writing experimental 3D-enginers for respectively commercial and medical purposes and qualify as "expect programmers" according to the above description. I personally would position myself as a medium skilled programmer.

Tell us what you've developed and why your skills go beyond basic programming.

It takes a certain mix of introversion, discipline, and deductive reasoning skills, and most people don't have it.

I've known utter morons to program applications or build their own PHP-driven websites. It doesn't take a genius to program, though some understanding of logics is necesssary.

Similarly, it doesn't have to take 15 hours a day to develop something. You can get there by working 4 hours a day. It just takes a bit longer.

I admit I am not the best linguist, however that is complicated because I post quickly and do not waste my time correcting errors and spell checking. Some people do not like slow motion.

I'm not a native English speaker, yet it doesn't take me much of an effort to check my spelling. Surely I do make some mistakes, but those mistakes are quite affordable for someone who got his first English class at the age of 15 (it was my third language back - French was my second language, but I never got fluent in it).

You couldn't fill my shoes, and to be honest, I can only think of 2, Ahknaton and Marcobius, who deserve to be mentioned in my league.

Ahknaton is a very average poster. Macrobius (are you dyslectic) is most definitely better than average, however I don't know him well enough to really position him.

Futhermore, the phora itself is a low brow forum, and I find myself to be more among my peers in more intelligent forums such as biodiversity forum, and politics forum, which actually push me to self-improvement due to rigorous debates in the way that the less intellectualized phora cannot.

As far as I know, there isn't a single open Internet forum able to provide a truely intellectualised debate. The only closed forum I ever tried was equally disappointing, even though all members were supposebly intellectuals with a broad knowledge on Imperial Tradition.

That's why I prefer spending more time on reading and having real life discussions with my intellectual friends rather than wasting time on Internet-forums with pseudo-intellectuals who don't have a clue. If I didn't have so much time at work, I probably wouldn't be here at all. ;)

Odessa Syndicate blog is far more active than the lyceum. The forum is relatively inactive, but is starting to go up.

There are already too many blogs out there. Why don't you go spend your time on Altermedia, Indymedia or one of those other popular political blogging sites out there?

And Illusions, Featherston certainly worked hard to earn the negative disposition he has. He only has himself to blame.

I must have missed that. I've encountered him quite a lot on The Lyceum, The Phora as well as here and I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You don't particularly annoy me, but you do have phora loyalties

I have no loyalties to any forum. I was banned at Stormfront because I had an issue with admin policies, I was banned at the Phora because I had an issue with admin policies, I was banned at Occidental Dissent because I had an issue with admin policies and you might remember that I also protested against certain policies at The Lyceum. I returned to The Phora only because some people asked for my presence and because both Stan and 88mmFlak were willing to leave our former differences behind. If they had wanted me to apologise for whatever reason, I would not have come back.

If I don't like a forums policies, I protest and either get banned, have the policy changed or move away volunarilly. That's the way it's been for years and the way it still is today. Again : I have no loyalties to any forum !

[...] and sometimes group cohesion is more important than individual talent.

On internet forums, group cohesion tends to be quite pathetic and the cause of a lack of group cohesion in real life.

Of course you and I have different ideologies too, but that in itself, is not a problem in a multi-ideological board.

I had no problem with you at The Lyceum and would have no problem with you at the Odessa Syndicate. My problem is mostly with Fade and Ixabert, who are obnoxious, arrogant and narrowminded psychopats. Their opinions as well as their attitudes are hilarous. Both are just spoilt rich kids with no clue about real life.

If you would spend less time with Fade and Ixabert and you'd learn how to behave among adults, we might actually be able to become friends ;)

[The Green Man]

Ahknaton is a very average poster.
I don't care what you think IllluSionS667. I've got Kane's seal of approval, and that's the gold standard. FACT. Refer to Jasmin63's post earlier in this thread for confirmation.

[Jake Featherston]

I should share with you some of the mail I have been getting. I'm getting responses from all kinds of people. It is stuff like, "I read your blog daily. It is not full of retards like The Phora. I would never post at a place like that."

I can not imagine anything more simultaneously hillarious and tear-jerkingly pathetic than the notion that this tragic shell of a man is so far gone into his little fantasy world, that he actually expects us to believe he's receiving emails that praise his Odessa, while also stating "its not full of retards like The Phora." Like we're just such a huge Internet presence, and so known are we for the lowbrow standard of our forum, that we are the benchmark for infantile degeneracy which people use to measure other boards/blosgs/etc, across the length and breadth of the World Wide Web! Stop it, Fade! You're killing me! I swear, I'm gonna fucking bust a gut from laughing at you!

And yet, what if his poor parents are reading this? Assuming they're saavy enough to comprehend its meaning, they can only be thinking of involuntary commitment.

[Jake Featherston]

His posts read like the transcript of a presidential debate.

Yeah, good analogy!

[Jake Featherston]

Featherston certainly worked hard to earn the negative disposition he has.

Hey fuck stick, do you even know what "disposition" means?

[IlluSionS667]

I don't care what you think IllluSionS667. I've got Kane's seal of approval, and that's the gold standard. FACT.

So you and Ahknaton are the same person, eh?! Good to know :D

Just to make sure : you are being ironic, right?!



@ Jake Featherston : If you have several short replies following one another, please try to combine them in one post.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I was not endorsing Ahknaton and Macrobius as posters but as competent programmers. Though they seem to be sufficient in their quality of posting too. Overwatch may have some computer savvy too, but I am reluctant to list him and I don't think he's quite as good.

I even admit that Ixabert is an excellent linguist, even though I have my differences with him. But nobody has a completely superior skillset. Everyone has weaknesses and strengths. Deductive reasoning, introversion, emotional intelligence, and a particular myers brig personality that most programmers have just happen to be my strengths. I also have relative weaknesses such as writing skills. I fully admit I have weaknesses, but I'm not backing down that I have the proper intellectual makeup of an IT person. And so my programs, Illusions, are usually geared towards business, such as calculating interest on loans and displaying it in a chart (amortization), manipulating a database, etc. It's the ability to analyze a business need, and convert it to a practical program. It takes more than just "programming skills" to be an analyst.

[Mike]

You may believe that your intelligence is being insulted. In reality, it is only being accurately described. Your intelligence is rather low, perhaps a half-standard deviation below the general average (i.e. you're slightly intelligent by negro standards). Everyone except yourself can see quite easily that you are an inferior person. Just ask.

I've noticed the phorian tactic : Insult the intelligence of opponents as revenge for inferiority. After all, if you are insulting your opponent, it distracts from the fact that you are inferior.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

In every type of intelligence, linguistic intelligence, verbal intelligence, spatial intelligence, social intelligence, emotional intelligence, I am moderate to high. Tests show this. I routinely score between 130-135 on online tests, and scored a 142 on an off line test sanctioned by professionals in my pre-teen years. needless to say, I find it quite amusing the desperation attempts to portray yourself above me. It is like a man with intellectual napoleon syndrome. Maybe if you stand on your toes, and get a ladder, you can brag about being taller than me!

[Mike]

In every type of intelligence, linguistic intelligence, verbal intelligence, spatial intelligence, social intelligence, emotional intelligence, I am moderate to high.

Tests show this. I routinely score between 130-135 on online tests, and scored a 142 on an off line test sanctioned by professionals in my pre-teen years.I am glad you are being tested - God knows you need it - but you are displaying laughable delusions of grandeur here. Stop bullshitting. No one who writes the sort of obsessive posts that you write is well grounded in "moderate to high" social and emotional intelligence. Your command of English is notorious and hilarious. In spatial intelligence I doubt you're more than average. Over all, you have the mind of a slightly bright negro. Deal with it.

needless to say, I find it quite amusing the desperation attempts to portray yourself above me. It is like a man with intellectual napoleon syndrome. Maybe if you stand on your toes, and get a ladder, you can brag about being taller than me!Yes, clearly I am very, very concerned with the way I am perceived intellectually compared to you. Share some more of your brilliant insights, Einstein.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Hey Mike. How does it feel standing on your intellectual toes? How does it feel to have napoleon syndrome of the mind, and have to conceal your own stupidity by pretending to be intelligent?

[Mike]

Hey Mike. How does it feel standing on your intellectual toes? How does it feel to have napoleon syndrome of the mind, and have to conceal your own stupidity by pretending to be intelligent?I knew I could count on you to deliver another brilliant insight. Yes, you have nailed me well. I do conceal my own stupidity by pretending to be intelligent, much as you conceal your own half-breed background by pretending to be Jewish.

Do continue. Please, share more of your Valuable insights.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

You are proving yourself to be stupid again. Jews are of armenoid/mediterranean decent, therefore they are a white ethnic group. Therefore we are only talking about ethnic variation, not racial variation. Therefore, ethnically, I have 3 ethnicities, not 2. Therefore it is a tribreed, not a half breed.

[Zed]

It depends. If your favorite passtime is knocking over a few kegs of beer during a football game and pissing off everyone with your drunken behavior, then I understand where you're coming from. If your favorite passtime is organising a cultfilm night with some glasses of fine Scottish Single Malt whiskey and some Dutchies while discussing politics and history in between, then it's quite a different story ;)

I've never done either of those things, but if you forced me at gunpoint to choose one or the other, I'd have to go with the former. :)

[Mike]

You are proving yourself to be stupid again. Jews are of armenoid/mediterranean decent, therefore they are a white ethnic group. Therefore we are only talking about ethnic variation, not racial variation. Therefore, ethnically, I have 3 ethnicities, not 2. Therefore it is a tribreed, not a half breed.Armenians are an Indo-European group. Jews are a Semitic group. Semites are universally acknowledged to be non-White. Pretending to be a Jew and a White at the same time is a contradiction.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

No. Semite/Aryan is not a racial term. The original aryans (iran, etc) were genetically the same as the Semites. No respected anthropologist agrees with you. If by "universally" you mean the national alliance, the phora, vnn, yes. I have people like Carylton Coon, Dinekes, and other respected anthropologists on my side.

In fact, it can be argued that semites cluster closer to northwestern and soutern europeans than cromagnoid slavs do.

I'll also note that semites, both Jews and Arabs, were not considered "colored" under american racial laws, not that it matters, because Americans (like yourself) are ignorant when it comes to anthropology.

[88mmFlaK]

Prozium the midget once again pinches off a few more gilded turds into the community that he claims 'he wants nothing to do with'.

It is certainly true that many of us were annoyed by your stupidity here last year. If I remember correctly, you were outing real names, posting photographs, publicizing kane's address, hometown, telephone number, etc.

You don't remember correctly, or are too dense to understand that it's impossible to 'out' someone who has 'outed' themselves.

In the middle of last year before he was banned from the Phora (http://www.thephora.net/) for threatening other members and conspiring with radical zionists to take down the Phora (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=7729.0), he was advertising his new site in several places including the Phora (http://www.thephora.net/). The site is scopevision.org.

Once he posted this about the Phora:


I suggest we put pressure on the host of this forum to close it down. I am sure they are in violation of a terms of service in one way or another, and they are hosted in the regular vbulletin group of forums here. (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=7729.0)

to rile a bunch of radical zionists to get us thrown off our host, he had earned his yellow star and exposed himself as a tedious, freedom-hating zionazi twat not unlike Abe Foxman.

Now, let's go to the public 'phonebook' known as the whois directory (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/), and type in 'scopevision.org' into the search box...

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=scopevision.org

whoops, guess who that is :lol:

Kane voluntarily and knowingly rendered his information forth into the public domain by registering scopevision.org in his own name.

Prozium the midget of course understands this, but feigns stupidity, obfuscates, and lies.

Now, in January, after the LIEceum was caught logging and exploiting the passwords of it's members, I made a deal with Kane to stop posting the link to the whois information of his (other) password phishing site, on the ground that he'd stop harassing innocent people whose personal information he STOLE by using the password phishing employed at Prozium/Feyd's site, thelyceum.info. However, not more than two weeks following our gentleman's agreement, he was logged registering accounts using the STOLEN personal information at the Phora, using his university's gateway to do so.

Do you understand? Kane GAVE his information into the public domain willingly and knowingly. You, Prozium, and you, Kane, STOLE the personal info of innocent people in a nigger-gang like way of attempting to retaliate against me. Just like niggers who can't hit a barnside with a sawed-off, you shot everyone on the streetcorner except the target. Fools.

As to Kane's pictures, those too were given up into the public domain, freely and knowingly, by their (former) owner.

So, all the info which Prozium claims was 'outed' by myself, was nothing of the like. In contrast, here's a little bit of what was required by Kane to 'out' (that is, steal) the guarded personal info of innocent members of his site: (http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=35428&postcount=98)






User Name
[input type="text" class="bginput" style="font-size: 11px" name="vb_login_username" id="navbar_username" size="10" accesskey="u" tabindex="101" value="User Name" onfocus="if (this.value == 'User Name') this.value = '';" /]
[input type="checkbox" name="cookieuser" value="1" tabindex="103" id="cb_cookieuser_navbar" accesskey="c" /]Remember Me?


Password

[input type="password" class="bginput" style="font-size: 11px" name="vb_login_password" id="navbar_password" size="10" tabindex="102" /]
[input type="submit" class="button" value="Log in" tabindex="104" title="Enter your username and password in the boxes provided to login, or click the 'register' button to create a profile for yourself." accesskey="s" /]


[input type="hidden" name="s" value="" /]
[input type="hidden" name="do" value="login" /]
[input type="hidden" name="vb_login_md5password" /]
[input type="hidden" name="vb_login_md5password_utf" /]




Recognise that? It's Kane's hacked version of the LIEceum's clientside code for their front page, with encryption disabled so that the login and password can be dumped into a text file, for manual replay on email and other forum accounts.

But really, there's not much need to drag out the Kane's lockpicks, when Kane himself admitted to it a number of times, including at the JTF, where he attempts to impress his zionist compadres with his phishing scam:

I hacked into supermod accounts and completely ruined that forum, for revenge. (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=19178.0)

I rewrote the php code for forum software so that I got a list of passwords when people logged in to another forum (the lyceum), which I stored in a text file in the directory. The text file included every password for everyone who logged in. Some people used the same password on both. Others would mistakenly type the password. Then I used it to spy on them and turn them into chaos. I was also completely morally justified. (http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=19178.0)

Particularly amusing is Kane's claim that he 'ruined' our forum.

The only thing ruined by the LIEceum's hacking, was the LIEceum and the dubious reputations of it's confidence-men. In total, it cost the Phora (http://www.thephora.net/) three days worth of posts, but wound up utterly destroying the LIEceum forever, tainting it's owner Fade/Prozium and his handful of sycophants with the stench of a con-artist, something that will not soon be forgotten. Additionally, the few members who left the Phora for the LIEceum have gone back to the Phora (http://www.thephora.net/), and avoid LIEceum 2.0 like a plague. Even Fade's chief moderator of his Occidental Dissent forum, and it's best member, is a regular and valued poster at the Phora (http://www.thephora.net/). The Phora is thriving with discussion and new members, but the LIEceum has been vanquished.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1655/lieceumdeathbb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Fade and Kane gambled all the chips on a lie and a stacked deck of cards, but still wound up going bust.

Fade/Prozium is an incompetent. He cannot keep a forum running for longer than six months, and thoroughly rogers himself when he tries to play hardball.

Game over. You lose, midget.

:greenguy:

[Mike]

As an advocate of Internet anonymity and free speech, I approve of Flak's efforts to keep these facts known.

Fade and Kane gambled all the chips on a lie and a stacked deck of cards, and still wound up going bust.

Game over. You lose, midget.

It was an astonishing gamble. Most people would not be so willing to risk their personal integrity, much less their reputations, in such a totally reckless manner for such a petty sort of spite. However, what's really revealing in my opinion is Fade's continuing shamelessness and lack of contrition in the face of complete exposure. To my knowledge, Fade has never expressed anything approaching contrition. Never so much as "my bad" or even "I let my resentment of a few people get the best of me. Sorry guys". It's really disturbing to see anyone so incapable of any moral compass whatsoever. But that's Fade, as you can see on this thread.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Nor were the Chinese; so?

Not true. Chinese (mongoloid) were considered colored. All caucasoids were considered white. Chinese were forbidden from immigrating to America until the mid-late nineteen hundreds.

Semites are eastern Mediterraneans. Western Mediterraneans are closely related. They became Nordics by losing pigmentation.

It can be argued convincingly that Arabs are closer to "aryan" than slavs are, who clearly do not resemble the aurignacian (arab/nord/med) family. Slavs, by contrast, are Cro-Magnoids.

This is why I prefer to post on high-brow anthropology boards and blogs. People actually know what they are talking about.

[Prozium]

Maybe you didn't browse that forum, but you talk about it all the time. Also, 2007 is ONLY 4 months behind us ;)

That was because I was being aggravated and harassed.

There is currently no forum that truely appeals to me, which is why I try to limit my online time and focus on my books, my job, my girlfriend and pretty much everything else. I usually just spend time on forums when I'm at work and I can afford it.

I wasn't referring to forums.

Then why do you talk about it all the time?

Uh, I don't. There is not a single word on my blog about The Phora. I'm pretty sure there is nothing about it on the forum either. I make sure to screen out all references and links to that place. It might just as well not exist.

At The Lyceum, you barely talked about anything else. People were made moderators for no other reason but being banned on The Phora. Meanwhile, it has become obvious that The Lyceum was just a phishing scam.

The problem we had at The Lyceum as that there were Phorons posting there and more of them here stirring up childish soap operas. 88mmFlak was here sliming us. He was posting real names, addresses, telephone numbers, etc. We have no sympathy for that guy at all.

At first, we started out with the idea of sticking it to him, and recreating the old Phora. I'm not sure why. That was a mistake. Ixabert was included. You were included. We included lots of you while excluding others.

It later became clear that it was impossible to work with you people. Most of you are worthless. The Lyceum was jettisoned and Odessa Syndicate was created.

You're not fooling anyone here, besides a handful of gullible followers.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone here of anything.

When I discovered the forum, I signed up under the name of "John Preston" (one of the few times I used an alias), because I was curious to see how you'd handle the next forum and I didn't want to betray my identity. I was curious to see it you could actually handle a forum responsibly. I noticed, however, that my account was deleted before I could even write a single post.

Yes, I know.

That was funny as hell. I ZOTTED you immediately too. It was like Duck Hunt on NES. Never again will you ever be allowed to post on my property. The same goes for the rest of the Phorons who caused us so many problems last year.

Yet, pathetic individuals like WFHermans (he may claim to be national-socialist, but at least 80% of his posts are worthless) were already part of your community and still are today. This already shows that you ban folks for other reasons.

WFHermans is a reasonable and easy going fellow. If you are kind to him, he is agreeable in return.

To say there are no degenerates or idiots at your forum is just hilarious. Also, you automatically ban folks like Jake Featherston (I like many of his posts) and myself, while automatically accepting folks like WFHermans. This implies that you select people based on loyalty rather than quality. As such, you'll always have a forum of loyal drones but never a forum of quality.

You are not a quality poster. Again, I don't want people on my forum talking about Atlantis and Hitler flying to Mars on a UFO. I should have listened to zusammen last year when he urged me to ban you. Instead, you were let back in, along with a number of other bitchers and whiners. It won't happen again.

Second, it's utterly pathetic to keep mentioning stuff like "Hitler shooting off to Mars on a flying saucer" and imply this is the sort of stuff I usually post, while I posted such posts only once in many years and merely as a thought experiment.

That is the sort of stuff you usually post.

So what if you don't have a Shoutbox, flame wars, gossip threads, reputation system, discussion about personalities, banging transsexuals or "General Jack D. Ripper." What's the point when all members are little more but Fade-drones?

I want to create a space for people to network and discuss issues of concern to non-liberals and pro-whites. There are lots of people there who disagree with me on various points. We just don't need an Illusions, Stan, 88mmFlak, etc. You're more trouble than you are worth.

First of all, most of the "Phorons" were banned at The Lyceum. Only those who managed to convince you they were neutral were allowed to stay.

We jettisoned The Lyceum itself because of its tainted association with The Phora. I don't want any ties to that silly place. The others have been busy lately. Shays can import the database when he gets back. I will cut and dump all the Phora related crap. When the forum is restored, known Phorons will be banned as a matter of policy.

Second, there is only a very limited amount of posts at your forum.

I'm rarely there myself.

[Blitzed]

Your new blog demonstrates a lot of talent, but that is no surprise. Why you choose to squander it picking old scabs I'll never know, but that too is no surprise.

[bardamu]

I see the perennial flame (war) is reignited.

[Macrobius]

Hey Kane, my man! Long time no see.

You should check out the guy I mention in this post, Obadiah Shoher:

http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=68530&postcount=17

He works out of Israel and his followers -- loosely speaking, on the principle of leaderless resistance -- hack racist sites in the U.S. and Morocco on behalf of Jewish interests. They have a very similar moral code to yours -- indeed, I hear echoes of it in your posts above -- and you might enjoy reading 'Samson Blinded': http://www.samsonblinded.org/ .


For now, Shoher is keeping his identity a secret. Perhaps after enough Israelis read his book he will come out of the shadows when the time is right. Maybe he figures the way to become the leader of the people is to have them ask him to lead -- after enough of them have read what he believes Jews in Eretz Yisrael should do to strengthen their presence in their homeland and ensure a safe future.


Quoted in this post with link to original.

http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=68552&postcount=19

I hear he can use a few good men. He's taking credit for the OD hack, for example.

[Pasdaran]

What kind of racist sites does Morocco have? :confused:

[Macrobius]

What kind of racist sites does Morocco have? :confused:

A list of the ones they hacked is at post 20 on this thread:

http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5052

I don't know what they didn't like about them, but I suspect they felt they were anti-semitic. Just a hunch.

[The Green Man]

It later became clear that it was impossible to work with you people.
On the contrary the majority of the Phora wanted to end the sniping and histrionics but you kept it going through repeated hacks, which even you no longer deny you were a part of. It's ridiculous to say it was because Phorons are "impossible to work with". To tell the truth I am still mystified as to the source of most of the hostility from you guys. The stated reason was that we were hacking our own forum and blaming it on you, but now that has been exposed as what every sane person always knew it was: nonsense, the reasons are a little less clear. From what I gather Mazdak got pissed because Hachiko wasn't banned, and Shays doesn't like Stan because Shays is a sandwigger, but other than that it seems like it's simply conflict for the sake of it: i.e. you enjoy forum drama (until you lose of course).
The same goes for the rest of the Phorons who caused us so many problems last year.
Phorons were the source of few if any problems, and you deliberately provoked those that were in order to gain the desired result. The reason this shit drags on and on is because you steadfastly refuse to admit to known facts, and somehow we're being "drama queens" buy refusing to pretend that you never hacked the Phora.

As with accusing us of being drama queens, it's the same with allegations of "degeneracy". You cherry pick quotes from certain members, while welcoming homo porn spammers, guys who talk about kicking decapitated women's heads of bathroom scales and furry-pron afficionados, and trying to create a corny bad-boy chic by adopting cinematic serial killers as your avatar. It's priceless.

[Blitzed]

What is it with antis and Semites? Hacking and trolling, online and off.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

TW, you are an idiot. I've researched the topic extensively. The definition of white during jim crow times indeed was Caucasoid.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

It appears colored meant black, however, some of the jim crow laws explicitly mentioned Mongols. I remember reading about a supreme court decision in which a Mongol tried to be classified as white, but was not because she was not Caucasoid.

[Helios Panoptes]

In every type of intelligence, linguistic intelligence, verbal intelligence, spatial intelligence, social intelligence, emotional intelligence, I am moderate to high. Tests show this. I routinely score between 130-135 on online tests, and scored a 142 on an off line test sanctioned by professionals in my pre-teen years. needless to say, I find it quite amusing the desperation attempts to portray yourself above me. It is like a man with intellectual napoleon syndrome. Maybe if you stand on your toes, and get a ladder, you can brag about being taller than me!

If you really believed that you are smart, you wouldn't have to keep saying it. The harder you try to convince everyone that you are intelligent, the worse it looks.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The correct ideology (what I post) must establish dominance over the incorrect ideology. It has nothing to do with confidence, or lack of confidence.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I have a hard time believing Arabs would be considered white simply because they were "Caucasoid,"
It's already been proven that they were. I read it off an Arab American history website. I used to incorrectly think that Arabs looked like mestizos but I know after further research that they do not (most Americans probably think this). They indeed do fit the Mediterranean phenotype. I researched this because I knew Jews were white, and I figured if that was true, Arabs must be white too. I was correct.

[Helios Panoptes]

The correct ideology (what I post) must establish dominance over the incorrect ideology. It has nothing to do with confidence, or lack of confidence.

I was not referring to an 'ideology.' Your level of intelligence does not qualify as an ideological matter. It has everything to do with your insecurity that you start ranting about your test scores and your great programmer's personality whenever someone says you're stupid. It is the kind of embarrassing behavior that makes readers cringe.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

It is not insecurity. When Muslims kill in the name of Allah, they are not insecure in their beliefs. It is a strong belief that I have the right opinion, everyone else has the wrong opinion, therefore i have the right to forcibly annunciate my opinion. It's the same mentality the crusaders had for example. It's the idea that you are right, and you are martyring yourself against people who are wrong. Plus, you jack off to your intelligence too (not that I blame you) so there isn't much of a moral difference.

[The Green Man]

When I saw this clip of Uwe Boll I thought of Kane:

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Big ups yo'sel!

[Jake Featherston]

Hey Mike. How does it feel standing on your intellectual toes? How does it feel to have napoleon syndrome of the mind, and have to conceal your own stupidity by pretending to be intelligent?

Even "Grimey" is probably smarter than you, Kane. You shouldn't have huffed those paint fumes; brain damage city. I actually feel sorry for you.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The one drop rule is talking about non-caucasoid blood.

Yes, someone who is only a certain percentage caucasoid is non-white. An arab who is not part negroid (most of them) is still white.

The average russian is 94% caucasoid
The average middle eastern is 93
the average palestinian is 97
The average jew is higher
The aberage european is 98

Arabs are at least as white as Russians are.

[Mike]

The significance of the thing called the "White race" doesn't come from any questionable and ultimately meaningless statistics that you might pull from your ass. The "White race" is based on a common culture and racial heritage that we derive from Christian Europe. In fact, the term "White" is best understood as an ethnic term first, and a racial term second. For this reason, Russians are to be considered White while Arabs are not. Nor are the Jews; nor are you.

The one drop rule is talking about non-caucasoid blood.

Yes, someone who is only a certain percentage caucasoid is non-white. An arab who is not part negroid (most of them) is still white.

The average russian is 94% caucasoid
The average middle eastern is 93
the average palestinian is 97
The average jew is higher
The aberage european is 98

Arabs are at least as white as Russians are.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Okay, you know more than Dinekes, Coon, the racial reality website, and every other person who is actually skilled in anthropology. Your days in the national alliance, phora, and vnn make you very qualified to debate them.

[Mike]

I am not disputing their science. I am simply saying that being "White" in the real world (as opposed to purely theoretical considerations) has as much to do with cultural background as to do with race. The German, Irishman, and Russian have a similar European Christian cultural experience, which along with their similar racial traits, justifies the category "White". Some Arabs may look White, but no one seriously calls them that. Science is fine per se, but you can't use it to contradict common sense.

Okay, you know more than Dinekes, Coon, the racial reality website, and every other person who is actually skilled in anthropology. Your days in the national alliance, phora, and vnn make you very qualified to debate them.

[Helios Panoptes]

It is not insecurity. When Muslims kill in the name of Allah, they are not insecure in their beliefs. It is a strong belief that I have the right opinion, everyone else has the wrong opinion, therefore i have the right to forcibly annunciate my opinion. It's the same mentality the crusaders had for example. It's the idea that you are right, and you are martyring yourself against people who are wrong.

I do not understand what you are attempting to argue, nor is it clear what, if anything, it has to do with my post.


Plus, you jack off to your intelligence too (not that I blame you) so there isn't much of a moral difference.

First, I didn't say it is immoral for you to talk about your test scores or your 'programmer's personality.' Rather, I said that it's ridiculous and embarrassing. Second, I rarely say anything about my intelligence. In a thread years ago about IQ scores, I mentioned that I'd taken the WAIS-III and I said what I'd scored. Later, another poster had taken that test and asked me how I'd done on it, so I told him. On a few occasions, posters were talking about their SAT and GRE scores, so I talked about mine, as well. That is to say, whenever I've mentioned my test scores, it was because test scores were the subject of the conversation. I don't defend myself against insults by bragging about my test results because: 1) if the person really thinks I'm stupid, he will think that I'm lying about my scores; 2) I don't much care if somebody thinks that I am stupid because I am not insecure about my intelligence.

[Mandalore]

I do not understand what you are attempting to argue, nor is it clear what, if anything, it has to do with my post.


Nobody understands him. He's a schizoid with psychopathic tendencies who quite possibly has borderline mental retardation to boot.

It's a miracle that he can form complete words.

[Macrobius]

I suppose it's time to let the cat out of the bag so we can all have one last laugh at Teh Great Hacker. I'd hoped that ignoring him would make him go do something else but it seems he will hang around forever until he gets bitch-slapped across cyberspace. There's a minor risk that he actually likes public humiliation and will come back for more of course, and I also thought there was an advantage to not letting the hacker know about a vulnerability, but I think I've over-estimated that risk and it is better, now that four months or so have elapsed, to come clean. We'll just have to take those risks.:beerbang:

One reason people who actually understand things like MD5 hash functions aren't impressed with Kane's programming abilities (and, consequently, intelligence) is that we've been having a little joke among ourselves at his expense.

You see, the very funniest thing about Kane's 'hack' is not what he did (we should all be proud of our accomplishments, when they measure up to our capabilities, and he *did* manage to write a text file with plaintext into a hard disk, I'm not knocking that accomplishment, albeit while struggling with this task over a period of weeks and mostly getting it right), but rather that he continues to think he *needed* to. You see, if he were actually able to read code, he would have read the client-side javascript that every vBulletin site kicks out when you log in, and realised it contained a security flaw.

Because of this flaw, capturing the plaintext password is unnecessary, if all you want to do is log in as someone else at another site. MD5, you see, is not really a form of encryption. It is a one-way hash function. Hashing your password and passing an 'MD5 encrypted' password is just a joke, and for about four months now it has been a fun one. The very best part of the fun is knowing it's not really true -- MD5-hashed or not, it makes no difference at all, even though Kane seems to believe it is very important to have broken it.

There might be some vicarious pleasure at knowing *what the person actually typed* before the MD5 hash was generated (a bit like fondling yourself while watching someone in a bedroom window, to go with Kane's evident tastes in these matters), but the MD5 hash itself -- the part you actually use to fuck the hacking victim over with -- is also sent in the clear. There is no need to recover the password used unless you are thinking of breaking into someone's mail, say, rather than another vBulletin site. Capture one MD5 hash, and you've got them all as far as vBulletin is concerned -- unless the victim uses a different password at every site. Let the mayhem begin! The moral is: don't go to websites where known phishers can steal your MD5 hash either.

You don't even need to touch PHP code really -- since the password is in the clear, just crank up the logging on the webserver a bit so you can see it. No programming needed. It's a configuration setting that controls the apache log messages. See how that works? I've given Kane enough knowledge to make him really dangerous now, so I suppose Prozium will have to get rid of him, or at least keep his admin privs on a short leash.

The security vulnerability is that all vBulletin websites I've seen use the same code, and there is nothing that makes that code differ (a key, some salt) from site to site, person to person, or login attempt to login attempt. If you capture the *MD5 hash*, you're in like Flynn. I even posted this fact before. I did an experiment (partly because I didn't believe the results of my static analysis). The exoteric result, you might say, is that The Lyceum disabled MD5 hashes and the Phora didn't. The esoteric point of that same post of mine is -- I couldn't believe it either -- what gets transmitted is the MD5 hash of your password, in the clear. Which is to say, quite enough information to impersonate you at any website you use the same password.

So in truth, Ixabert was the real brains of the operation. He's the one who got Starr's password in the first place, and he screwed Kane over royally by publishing the passwords in the clear, which was corroborated by credible witnesses. That makes the whole phishing scheme (and Kane's subsequent confession) undeniable -- in all it's glorious futility -- too. In truth, if the money Kane's parents are shelling out for the community college where his dad works were well spent, there would have been no need for Kane's great 'accomplishment'. He would have cranked up the logs, written some client side code to post it, grabbed the authenticated cookie returned and hack away for a few hours a pop. That is, if he were really Teh Great Hacker and not some half-Jew wannabe.

Now Prozium: I understand you have some sort of Fuehrer personality cult thing going on, with the Pater Familias thing and minions and what, adding a bit of fascist edge to the Southern stuff -- what George Lincoln Rockwell called 'Wallacism', a sort of soft version -- and I know that having a hacking to your credit makes you a made man and proves what a bad ass you are, but really, you should think of your choice of material. I mean Hitler had minions like Goebbels and Himmler -- men who in their own way weren't fuck-ups like Kane. And here's another thought for you, Sir: Gentlemen do not read each others' mail. Let me adumbrate that a bit: Gentlemen do not read each others' mail. That covers one of the four possibilities. You have read my mail. For those of us who are capable of logic and rational thought, that implies that at most one of us is a gentleman. About 20% of this is out in the open now. You should take my point carefully.

Before there is some sort of general panic over forum security: think about your bank. They use HTTPS right? There's a reason for that. If they could transmit information safely without it, they would. These are *chat* forums. If you don't trust the site admin, use a fake email address, an anonymous proxy, and a throw away password, ok? That's as true of VNN, Stormfront, the Phora, Original Dissent, Stumble Inn, the Lyceum, Odessa, and any other vBulletin site you can think of. The vBulletin idiots only give you the illusion of security and bit of marketing glitz. As far as I can tell, they took a cut and paste implementation of MD5 and misused it to give the illusion of login security. I hope knowingly. But it doesn't matter. In fact, the 'password' is transmitted in the clear anyway, at least, the key that unlocks the door is, if not your 'personal' mnemonic that generates the key.

This has been a public service announcement.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

edited....for reasons of pragmatic concern.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I do not understand what you are attempting to argue, nor is it clear what, if anything, it has to do with my post.
The point is I'm not insecure about my intelligence. My online opponents are insecure about it, and I believe in debating every issue. Just like I debated the Jewish question to antisemites.

[Jaybird]

Hey Jasmin, Eric Gagne sucks.

[Mike]

Fuh fuh fuh.
The point is I'm not insecure about my intelligence. My online opponents are insecure about it, and I believe in debating every issue. Just like I debated the Jewish question to antisemites.

[Fenian]

The point is I'm not insecure about my intelligence. My online opponents are insecure about it, and I believe in debating every issue. Just like I debated the Jewish question to antisemites.

Kane, what were your SAT scores?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

1380 was my best. In my family, this is low. I'm a better student now than i was in high school.

[Jaybird]

1380 was my best. In my family, this is low. I'm a better student now than i was in high school.
I bet you get laid more in college than you did in high school.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I'm celebate. The person who labeled me as shizoid is probably accurate (but the psychopathic part is not).

[Jaybird]

Who the fuck gives you positive rep?

[Fenian]

1380 was my best. In my family, this is low. I'm a better student now than i was in high school.

What was the breakdown?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Inventor hit me with a massive group of pos reps. Someone else did earlier.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

What was the breakdown?
My sister has a level of intelligence that dwarfs me. we are talking mid to high 15s here and iv league style performances with 4.0's. So you can make fun of me for that.

I improved from 1119 to 1380. That's a good evidence of work ethic.

[Fenian]

My sister has a level of intelligence that dwarfs me. we are talking mid to high 15s here and iv league style performances with 4.0's. So you can make fun of me for that.

I improved from 1119 to 1380. That's a good evidence of work ethic.

Man - I just wanted to know your verbal vs. your quantitative.

[Jake Featherston]

Fuh fuh fuh.

I'd actually forgotten about that! :rofl:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I'm not sure but I believe my math skills far outperformed my verbal skills.

[Mike]

Inventor, figures. Giving posrep to Kane. I guess fucktard is what fucktard does.

Inventor hit me with a massive group of pos reps. Someone else did earlier.

[The Green Man]

I'm not sure but I believe my math skills far outperformed my verbal skills.
You come across as a first class maths debater, I have to admit.

[Inventor]

Inventor, figures. Giving posrep to Kane. I guess fucktard is what fucktard does.

This is exactly why I gave him pos rep. Thanks for making my day.

[Inventor]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6695/loldr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I almost died laughing.

[MASTY]

You come across as a first class maths debater, I have to admit.As in when he was slabbering about his j00ish percentage? :lmao:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

That is the way my mind works. I know my ancestry down to the nearest percent. I even went to legnths to prove I had no german blood (I had a polish ancester who lived in germany). If you question my proportions, due to my mathetmatical mind, I get angry.

[Vasily Zaitsev]

Help for the slow among us:

Say "maths debater" out loud.

Never take an occultist's words at face value.

[MASTY]

If you question my proportions, due to my mathetmatical mind, I get angry.If you wanna wail, I believe theres a Wall in Jizzrael ready-made for the likes of you. Get angry, you fuckin' wanna-be j00, who gives a bacon sandwich-induced fuck what you do? Take yer j00-babble elsewhere, Zoidberg - ya wankstain. Mac kicks yer ass.

:)

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Yes I do math debate to dead bodies. I actually win those debates, if you know what I mean.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

If you wanna wail, I believe theres a Wall in Jizzrael ready-made for the likes of you. Get angry, you fuckin' wanna-be j00, who gives a bacon sandwich-induced fuck what you do? Take yer j00-babble elsewhere, Zoidberg - ya wankstain. Mac kicks yer ass.

:)

It's not just the ashkenazi part. I have ALL my ancestry to proportions. Unlike the idiots on the phora, I believe there are different types of white gentiles. Jewish ancestry is just as white as any variant of gentile ancestry. If you question ANY of my proportions, I will get angry. If there is any part of my ancestry that is obvious, it is the Jewish part. Yet it is also the most questioned. I have yet to see people question the other sides of my bloodline. If they did, they would get a similar response.


To me, Jews are not a foreign or alien concept. Perhaps you assume I am like you.

[O'Zebedee]

If you question my proportions, due to my mathetmatical mind, I get angry.

Siggable.

[O'Zebedee]

Siggable.

Or hell, never mind that - Mathematics? Anger? Kane is a Fiver Percenter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_of_Gods_and_Earths)! Somebody hook him up with Wu Tang!

[MASTY]

Perhaps you assume I am like you.:lmao: Wise-up. I would gladly throw a lit match into the oven you should be burnt-in. :)

And I would do it with a smile on my face too.....

[Macrobius]

That is the way my mind works. I know my ancestry down to the nearest percent. I even went to legnths to prove I had no german blood (I had a polish ancester who lived in germany). If you question my proportions, due to my mathetmatical mind, I get angry.

Has it occurred to you that some percentages are not finitely expressible in base 2?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Sure. Binary and Decimal are not compatible but you can use fractions. :lmao:

Thought I wouldn't know what binary was, didn't you?

[O'Zebedee]

Thought I wouldn't know what binary was, didn't you?

Dammit, he's onto us!

[DavidLynchMob]

It's not just the ashkenazi part. I have ALL my ancestry to proportions. Unlike the idiots on the phora, I believe there are different types of white gentiles. Jewish ancestry is just as white as any variant of gentile ancestry. If you question ANY of my proportions, I will get angry. If there is any part of my ancestry that is obvious, it is the Jewish part. Yet it is also the most questioned. I have yet to see people question the other sides of my bloodline. If they did, they would get a similar response.


To me, Jews are not a foreign or alien concept. Perhaps you assume I am like you.


Since you place stock in physical anthropology as a means of delineating racial differences, I'll go ahead and say most of your (incorrect) views are informed by reading other people's misinterpretation of men like Coon & Ripley. Coon and cranial studies have rightly fallen out of favor with the advent of quick, easy, and reliable single nucleotide polymorphism sequencing and human genetic databases.

Jews cluster along the Southern Mediterranean axis, which is clearly non-Europid, as opposed to Greeks, Sicilians, Sardinians, Corsicans, and so on, who cluster along the Northern Mediterranean axis, where haplotypes are most closely linked to continental European profiles, not Berbers, Arabs, North Africans, etc.

Finally, you are confusing knowing where your ancestors lived with knowing with knowing your genetic heritage. You can't learn anything from genealogy. Polish is a nationality.

[Macrobius]

Thought I wouldn't know what binary was, didn't you?

Actually, Kane, I am your third grandfather. That's where the 20% part comes from.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Jews cluster next to Greeks. Many Jews are armenoid. Semites in general cluster next to southern europeans. They flow right into each other. There is no gap imbetween. Then there is a gap between meds and nordics. There is no gap between meds and semites.
edit : note that I never said that there was no difference. I only said that one continuosly flows into another with no gap.

Polish is a nationality as Jewish is a nationality. I am aware of the phenotypes of my ancesters too.

Semites often cluster closer to other Euros than Cromagnoids do.

[Macrobius]

Yes I do math debate to dead bodies. I actually win those debates, if you know what I mean.

You're part Albanian?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Most anthropologist race realists who do not have an "aryanist" agenda are now admitting that coon was right, and Boas was wrong. And if coon is right, it means europeans are directly related to semites.

[Mike]

Such a conclusion is totally unwarranted, for the obvious reasons. You must be suffering from serious brain damage due to paint huffing to make such a remark!

Most anthropologist race realists who do not have an "aryanist" agenda are now admitting that coon was right, and Boas was wrong. And if coon is right, it means europeans are directly related to semites.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Europeans descend from two groups. Auragnacoid (nord/med), and Cro-Magnoid. The original meds in europe indeed were arabid. But they mixed with cro-magnoid. Even the "Meds" in Europe are amagulated with cromagnon blood. They mixed enough eventually to be nordics (baltic cro-magnoids have depigmentaiton). Eastern Europe remains primarily Cro-Magnon/Alpine (a metrically wider skull).

Indeed, the Eastern Meds did contribute an ancestor to Europe.

[DavidLynchMob]

Jews cluster next to Greeks. Many Jews are armenoid. Semites in general cluster next to southern europeans. They flow right into each other. There is no gap imbetween. Then there is a gap between meds and nordics. There is no gap between meds and semites.

No, that's false.

Let's cite the articles:

First, European Caucasoids can be distinguished from non-European Caucasians with a handful of SNPs -- seven is sufficient.

Worldwide Human Relationships Inferred from Genome-Wide Patterns of Variation

Jun Z. Li,1,2* Devin M. Absher,1,2* Hua Tang,1 Audrey M. Southwick,1,2 Amanda M. Casto,1 Sohini Ramachandran,4 Howard M. Cann,5 Gregory S. Barsh,1,3 Marcus Feldman,4{ddagger} Luigi L. Cavalli-Sforza,1{ddagger} Richard M. Myers

Science 22 February 2008:
Vol. 319. no. 5866, pp. 1100 - 1104

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/319/5866/1100


We first studied genetic ancestry of each individual without using his/her population identity...At K = 5, the 938 individuals segregate into five continental groups, similar to those reported in a microsatellite-based study of the same panel (3). At K = 6, the new component accounts for a major portion of ancestry for individuals from South/Central Asia, separating this region from the Middle East and Europe. This result differs from that in (3), where the sixth component contained the Kalash individuals, but South/Central Asia, the Middle East, and Europe were not clearly distinguished unless analyzed separately from the rest of the world. At K = 7, the new component occurs at highest proportions in the Middle Eastern populations, separating them from European populations. In many populations, ancestry is derived predominantly from one of the inferred components, whereas in others, especially those in the Middle East and South/Central Asia, there are multiple sources of ancestry.


I believe you are a student, so I assume you can use Lexis-Nexus to access these articles.

Second, here is an article that debunks the idea that 'Mediterranean North Africans' contributed to the Iberian gene pool -- a false belief often promulgated by 'physical anthropologists'. There is no Mediterranean race, no continuity from North Africa/Middle East to Southern Europe

High-resolution analysis of human Y-chromosome variation shows a sharp discontinuity and limited gene flow between northwestern Africa and the Iberian Peninsula.

Bosch E, Calafell F, Comas D, Oefner PJ, Underhill PA, Bertranpetit J.

Am J Hum Genet. 2002 Jun;70(6):1594-6.


In the present study we have analyzed 44 Y-chromosome biallelic polymorphisms in population samples from northwestern (NW) Africa and the Iberian Peninsula, which allowed us to place each chromosome unequivocally in a phylogenetic tree based on >150 polymorphisms. The most striking results are that contemporary NW African and Iberian populations were found to have originated from distinctly different patrilineages and that the Strait of Gibraltar seems to have acted as a strong (although not complete) barrier to gene flow. In NW African populations, an Upper Paleolithic colonization that probably had its origin in eastern Africa contributed 75% of the current gene pool. In comparison, approximately 78% of contemporary Iberian Y chromosomes originated in an Upper Paleolithic expansion from western Asia, along the northern rim of the Mediterranean basin. Smaller contributions to these gene pools (constituting 13% of Y chromosomes in NW Africa and 10% of Y chromosomes in Iberia) came from the Middle East during the Neolithic and, during subsequent gene flow, from Sub-Saharan to NW Africa. Finally, bidirectional gene flow across the Strait of Gibraltar has been detected: the genetic contribution of European Y chromosomes to the NW African gene pool is estimated at 4%, and NW African populations may have contributed 7% of Iberian Y chromosomes. The Islamic rule of Spain, which began in a.d. 711 and lasted almost 8 centuries, left only a minor contribution to the current Iberian Y-chromosome pool. The high-resolution analysis of the Y chromosome allows us to separate successive migratory components and to precisely quantify each historical layer.

Then, read this article, which unambiguously shows the following:

1) intra-European gene exchange took place over the past 6,000 years
2) Middle Eastern and North African populations are distinct and the products of recent admixture, unlike the Italian population, which clustered with the Germans, Finns, and English
3) European Caucasians' predecessors moved northwest to occupy Europe, and their ancestry is distinct from Semitic populations which remained behind in the Near East

Evolutionary relationships of human populations on a global scale

M Nei and AK Roychoudhury

Molecular Biology and Evolution, Vol 10, 927-943

There is the greater Caucasian grouping, which can be divided into several races (Semitic, European, Irano-Afghan etc). There is no evidence for the Semitic race shading into European populations.

Now that we have debunked the myth that significant gene flow occurred between Middle East populations and Southern Europeans, let us examine where Ashkenazi Jews cluster.

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

M. F. Hammer*†‡, A. J. Redd*†, E. T. Wood*†, M. R. Bonner*, H. Jarjanazi*, T. Karafet*, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheimi, M. A. Jobling**, T. Jenkins††, H. Ostrer‡‡, and B. Bonne´ -Tamir§


Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.

Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different.



For the people who need their information in a graphic format, look at this:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9796/structurescienceeo8.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=structurescienceeo8.jpg)

Ahhh, look at that close clustering between European populations. How cute.

Need any more evidence that you're a complete idiot who needs to read the literature before opening his mouth?

Do you also believe that the Armenoids are proto-white ancestors? LOL.

[DavidLynchMob]

Most anthropologist race realists who do not have an "aryanist" agenda are now admitting that coon was right, and Boas was wrong. And if coon is right, it means europeans are directly related to semites.

Nobody believes Coon was right except for people who like to play 'Guess the race' with photos of celebrities.

[DavidLynchMob]

It's pretty clear I have ten times the knowledge of genetics that Kane does and I'm not even particularly interested in race. How does it feel to know that someone who reads just one or two journal articles a month knows more about genetics and race, your biggest obsession, than you do?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I stand by every statement I made. Just becaues semites can be DISTINGUISHED from meds does not mean they do not share common ancestry. Mongols can be distinguished from native americans. But they still share common ancestry.

[O'Zebedee]

This is the best thread drift we've ever had, and that's saying a lot.

I'd split the thread, but I'd have to do it three or four times.

[DavidLynchMob]

I stand by every statement I made. Just becaues semites can be DISTINGUISHED from meds does not mean they do not share common ancestry. Mongols can be distinguished from native americans. But they still share common ancestry.

We can also distinguish humans from dogs. But they still share common ancestry.

You have no evidence for your assertions. You are an amateur. I, on the other hand, have worked in a clinical genetics lab, am currently enrolled in a graduate level biochemistry course on gene expression and protein analysis in primates, and work with SNP analysis gels everyday.

What are your credentials again?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

You have a lot of data (many of this I am already aware of, such as khazaria), but you are too stupid to actually interpret it. Nothing there contridicts my position. My positions is not that all meds are equal. My position is that all meds are REASONABLY close. and btw, spainsh, greek, and italian people can be differentiated too. Just because the groups can be differentiated, does not mean there is a gap imbeween. One clusters right on the edge of the other.

[88mmFlaK]

http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/smilies/ziotard.gif

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The funniest thing is that the rest of the people watching are probably biased and dumb enough to think that this clown makes coherant sense, when he doesn't. Differentiation is one thing. A separate subracial type is another. I routinely debate people who are much better than you to sharpen my mind. Posting three manichal posts before I have a chance to respond does not make you a champion.

[MASTY]

You have a lot of data (many of this I am already aware of, such as khazaria), but you are too stupid to actually interpret it. Shut-up, j00. Yer name and address went visual when you signed-up for yer web-shites. ahahahahaaaaaaaaha.....

Good shout Flak.

:)

[DavidLynchMob]

You have a lot of data (many of this I am already aware of, such as khazaria), but you are too stupid to actually interpret it. Nothing there contridicts my position. My positions is not that all meds are equal. My position is that all meds are REASONABLY close. and btw, spainsh, greek, and italian people can be differentiated too. Just because the groups can be differentiated, does not mean there is a gap imbeween. One clusters right on the edge of the other.

Kane:

That is not my data. I am presenting objective facts. You don't know much about science, do you?

First:

You did not read any of the articles. Read them.

They directly contradict your position. All of the articles discredit the idea of a 'Mediterranean' race. There is no 'Mediterranean' race. This idea dates back to the 19th century. Coon last published in 1962. The structure of DNA had just been discovered ten years earlier. All of his knowledge is out of date. Your central premise, that a Mediterranean race exists, is clearly false, as I have shown.

Second, you are backpedaling, because you realize that you are out of your league.

You first claimed that:

Jews cluster next to Greeks. Many Jews are armenoid. Semites in general cluster next to southern europeans. They flow right into each other. There is no gap imbetween.

Now, when I showed you to be wrong, you are claiming that Mediterraneans (no such race exists) are REASONABLY close. REASONABLY is not a scientific term. How close? Tell me.

Third, you cannot differentiate between Italian, Spanish, or Greek people through genetic analysis. Italian, Spanish, and Greek are nationalities. You can only differentiate between populations living in Italy, Spain, or Greece. Do you understand? How much genetics research have you done? A paper would never refer to 'Italian people'.

Finally, I am smarter than you, Kane. I outscored you by over a hundred and fifty points on the SAT. Moreover, my father was not a doctor -- he was a roofer. It is quite likely that a good portion of your 1380 SAT score was due to environmental factors (and certainly inclusive of test prep -- did you take an SAT prep course?) and not innate ability.

[Jake Featherston]

I stand by every statement I made. Just becaues semites can be DISTINGUISHED from meds does not mean they do not share common ancestry. Mongols can be distinguished from native americans. But they still share common ancestry.

If you go back enough generations, all humans (Hell, all mammals) share common ancestry, albeit to varying extents, hence your statement is meaningless.

[DavidLynchMob]

The funniest thing is that the rest of the people watching are probably biased and dumb enough to think that this clown makes coherant sense, when he doesn't. Differentiation is one thing. A separate subracial type is another. I routinely debate people who are much better than you to sharpen my mind. Posting three manichal posts before I have a chance to respond does not make you a champion.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I am not trying to post fast. I am trying to point out your incorrect assumptions.

Differentiation is one thing, of course. We can differentiate between European Caucasians and Semitic Caucasians because they are different.

[Jake Featherston]

Posting three manichal posts before I have a chance to respond does not make you a champion.

I wonder what that word was suppose to be?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Y-chrosome dna, mtdna, and autosomal dna all have Jews next to greeks. I've seen multiple studies. Would you like me to post you a few? I don't care. If Jews clustered next to Arabs, I would still consider them white.

Furthrmore, Spanish, Italian, and Greek people can all be differentiated.

You act as if you showed me something I didn't know. I understand that groups cluster differently. But they all former a larger cluster. East and West Meds form a greater med cluster. And the standard deviation between east and west isn't any bigger than the standard deviation within.

Jacking off to your own data (which I was aware of from the beginning) does not make you right. The sad thing is you (and your audience) are actually dumb enough to fail to connect the dots here. I feel like i'm talking to a brick wall to be honest. Are you going to listen to what I have to say, or are you going to shove irrelevant (to my position) data down my throat.

[DavidLynchMob]

Kane is becoming flustered and his spelling deteriorates.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I'm only frustrated with your antagonistic attitude, your impulsive posting, and your failure to actually understand my argument. I don't feel refuted.

[DavidLynchMob]

Y-chrosome dna, mtdna, and autosomal dna all have Jews next to greeks. I've seen multiple studies. Would you like me to post you a few? I don't care. If Jews clustered next to Arabs, I would still consider them white.

Ashkenazi Jews are closer to Middle Eastern populations than European. That was the point of the last article I posted. Read it.


Furthrmore, Spanish, Italian, and Greek people can all be differentiated.

You act as if you showed me something I didn't know. I understand that groups cluster differently. But they all former a larger cluster. East and West Meds form a greater med cluster. And the standard deviation between east and west isn't any bigger than the standard deviation within.


No, European Mediterraneans, such as Sicilians, Greeks, Corsicans, etc., cluster closer to mainland European populations than to North Africans, Semites, etc.


Jacking off to your own data (which I was aware of from the beginning) does not make you right. The sad thing is you (and your audience) is actually dumb enough to fail to connect the dots here. I feel like i'm talking to a brick wall to be honest. Are you going to listen to what I have to say, or are you going to shove irrelevant (to my position) data down my throat.

No, this is not irrelevant. All of the data points to one conclusion: There is a European Caucasian cluster, inclusive of Southern European populations, which is distinct from the Semitic Caucasian population.

[DavidLynchMob]

I'm only frustrated with your antagonistic attitude, your impulsive posting, and your failure to actually understand my argument. I don't feel refuted.

You changed your argument twice in the course of a dozen or so posts. I noticed you didn't respond to my dig at your SAT score. Was it true? Did you receive test prep? My estimation of your intelligence...it is not very high right now, Kane.

[Mike]

DavidLynchMob has provided all the data and arguments needed to refute your nonsense. Why do you persist when you are wrong?

Will you please go away? Seriously, you're just pathetic. I laugh at you, as do others, undoubtedly.

Are you going to listen to what I have to say, or are you going to shove irrelevant (to my position) data down my throat.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I never "changed my argument" you assumed I said one thing.

sigh

I guess I'm going to have to refute you the old fashioned way.
http://racialreality.110mb.com/north_africans_files/plot1.jpg

note that you may have to click this link a few times for it to work

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

http://racialreality.110mb.com/north_africans_files/plot2.jpg

[DavidLynchMob]

I never "changed my argument" you assumed I said one thing.

sigh

I guess I'm going to have to refute you the old fashioned way.
http://racialreality.110mb.com/north_africans_files/plot1.jpg

Don't leech from racial reality, dumbass. Are you too stupid to use a free image-hosting service?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/342/euroutahdnauq9.jpg

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5223/americaneurogene2xe3.jpg

[DavidLynchMob]

Place all your graphs in one post, label them so I know what I am looking at, and don't leech from someone else's website, please.

I assume the last graph you posted is an autosomal DNA analysis, but I'm not sure about the others.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The first 2 are y chorosome plots. The next two are autosomal. "Ash" is ashekanzi Jews. In every plot (though a bit further in the fourth) they are clustering right next to meds.

[88mmFlaK]

if you're trying to prove that AshkeNAZI cluster closer to Europids as opposed to Near-easterners like Arabs, why use charts that reference only Europids, and not Europids and Near Easterners?

[Mike]

In the second pair of graphs, not sure what they refer to, but the Jews are in their own clusters, emphasizing their separateness. You were trying to prove their Whiteness, remember. You really should seek help.
The first 2 are y chorosome plots. The next two are autosomal. "Ash" is ashekanzi Jews. In every plot (though a bit further in the fourth) they are clustering right next to meds.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I'm proving that ALL MEDITERRANENAS from arabs to spanish cluster, though with slight variation.

[DavidLynchMob]

The first 2 are y chorosome plots. The next two are autosomal. "Ash" is ashekanzi Jews. In every plot (though a bit further in the fourth) they are clustering right next to meds.

No, I mean post where you got the plots from (what website or book), so I can look at all the data. Don't present them out of context. Moreover, the autosomal DNA graph confirms what I have been saying. Southern Europeans are separated from Ashkenazi, a Semitic population, and cluster in a continuum with continental European populations. Can you not see that?

And you still have not substantiated your claim of a Mediterranean race.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I didn't say jews weren't separate. Every group is separate. White is an unbrella category contianing separate groups.

[DavidLynchMob]

I'm proving that ALL MEDITERRANENAS from arabs to spanish cluster, though with slight variation.

The autosomal graph refutes that, however. There is a wide gulf between the Ashkenazi and European Caucasians! If you give me the citations, I can look at the data myself and do regression analysis to get some standard deviations.

[DavidLynchMob]

I didn't say jews weren't separate. Every group is separate. White is an unbrella category contianing separate groups.

White's a color, not a racial descriptor. And please provide some sources for the graphs kthx.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I doesn't matter if the eastern meds cluster outside the western. The two groups still form a bigger cluster because they are close together. Plus not every study is perfect. I'm giving a bunch of studies to show that it is consistently a pattern. The third one is autosomal too, and has ashkenazi jews clustering indistinguishably.

[Mike]

When you guys are finished listening to Kane prove that Jews are White, make sure to check out Gene Ray, discoverer of the time cube, and self-described "wisest human".

http://www.timecube.com/

This guy is even smarter than Kane! You won't be disappointed.

[DavidLynchMob]

I doesn't matter if the eastern meds cluster outside the western. The two groups still form a bigger cluster because they are close together. Plus not every study is perfect. I'm giving a bunch of studies to show that it is consistently a pattern. The third one is autosomal too, and has ashkenazi jews clustering indistinguishably.

No, they don't form a bigger cluster, since Southern European Caucasian populations have a greater overlap with continental European Caucasian populations than with Semitic -- where there is very little overlap.

Moreover, the greatest difference in clustering occurs in your third graph. I think you are missing a graph.

Finally, you are not giving a bunch of studies. I gave a bunch of studies. You just showed us some graphs without any citations or context.

[Mike]

Gene Ray's ideas are explained on Wikipedia. Is kane123123 on Wikipedia yet? No, he is not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

It depends what types of southern europeans. Greeks usually cluster closer to the middle east. Italians cluster imbetween. Spaniard cluster (relatively) close to northern europe.

Non-crogmanoid (northwest and south) europeans form a cluster. Meds (east and west) also form a cluster. Either concept is legitimate. Nords evolved mainly out of meds.