Partial birth abortion may be banned in Michigan

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Enough votes to ban partial birth abortions
Even if Granholm vetoes bill, as she has promised
By Chad Selweski
Macomb Daily (http://anonym.to?http://www.macombdaily.com/stories/052908/loc_local03.shtml)

A 6-year effort by a Macomb County lawmaker to impose a statewide ban on so-called partial birth abortions could become reality within weeks. Rep. Brian Palmer, a Bruce Township Republican, said Wednesday he believes legislation approved by a 74-32 vote in the House late Tuesday night will become law. Gov. Jennifer Granholm's press secretary said the governor will veto the bill but Palmer predicted the necessary two-thirds majorities for a veto override will prevail in the House and Senate.

"There's always the possibility that some pro-life Democrats might wane. They might not want to vote against their own governor," said Palmer, perhaps the most ardent anti-abortion legislator in Lansing.

Partial-birth abortions have been the subject of recurring controversy in the Capitol for more than a decade.

Under the procedure, rarely used and only in the latter stages of pregnancy, the fetus is partially extracted from a woman's uterus and then its skull is punctured or crushed to complete the abortion. Critics call it a "gruesome" practice while pro-choice advocates say a ban presents a slippery slope toward more abortion restrictions.

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Diagram of what happens during a 'partial birth abortion'

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At fetal age 23 weeks (25 weeks pregnant):

- 13.5 inches in length and weighs 1 and half pounds.
- Bones are becoming solid, hands are now fully developed.
- The brain is growing rapidly, the brain cells are starting to mature.
- The sexual organs are fully developed.

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Baby is now pretty well built portion wise even though it still has little body fat and its skin is thin. The structures of the spine begin to form -- All 33 rings, 150 joints and 1000 ligaments. The tiny brain is growing rapidly (http://www.bidmc.harvard.edu/content/bidmc/departments/radiology/files/fetalatlas/brain/23_24/23_24.html), and the baby is starting to fill the space in your uterus. The uterus is now about the size of a soccer ball and mom looks pregnant.

Your baby's hands are now fully developed, although some of the nerve connections to the hands have a long way to go. Dexterity is improving. Your baby can make a fist and clasp objects placed in palm. Exploring the structures inside your uterus may have become baby's prime entertainment. Fascinated by the amount of tactile stimulation a fetus gives itself; it touches a hand to the face, one hand to the other hand, clasps its feet, touches its foot to its leg, its hand to its umbilical cord. Twins will explore each other and begin their bonding.

Blood vessels of the lungs develop. Your baby's nostrils begin to open. The nerves around the mouth and lip area are showing more sensitivity now. Their swallowing reflexes are developing. Baby can hear sounds outside the womb and the brain cells are starting to mature also. Already it can learn and remember and can recognise its mother and fathers voice.

Babies born at 25 weeks of pregnancy stand a 50% chance of survival.

[PseudoCop]

If it's a waterhead it's for the best to end it early.

[sugartits]

There should be more pro-abortion adds that coerce women into doing it sooner. That's one of many ways to lessen the amount of partial birth abortions. I don't know how common they are though (doubtful that they even are), but anyway...

The heart of the matter is what frickin' reasoning causes women to wait that long ...ponsidering that they have to be disabled (aka 'pregnant') for longer and health risks of abortion increase, which all makes the whole ordeal harder. Perhaps for some it's mostly an issue of making enough cash within a time limit and/or not being able to make up their minds...but women who are responsible for their minds and bodies either:

1. say "hey buddy, use a fuckin rubber", even if they are 'in love' or find condoms a 'mooooood' killer
2. are able to properly use birth control
3. get pregnant and decide to carry it to term without becoming lost between options due to misguided emotions...so don't wait until the last, last minute to decide "NO I CANT HAVE A BABY OMFG!"

[Jaybird]

4. Stop being such a slut, but hey whatever goes right Sugartits?

[The Exorcist]

I thought partial birth abortion was already banned & upheld federally....

I believe the Supreme Court released the third Trimester restriction in Planned Parenthood. I'd have to read it again

[The Exorcist]

There should be more pro-abortion adds that coerce women into doing it sooner. That's one of many ways to lessen the amount of partial birth abortions. I don't know how common they are though (doubtful that they even are), but anyway...

The heart of the matter is what frickin' reasoning causes women to wait that long ...ponsidering that they have to be disabled (aka 'pregnant') for longer and health risks of abortion increase, which all makes the whole ordeal harder. Perhaps for some it's mostly an issue of making enough cash within a time limit and/or not being able to make up their minds...but women who are responsible for their minds and bodies either:

1. say "hey buddy, use a fuckin rubber", even if they are 'in love' or find condoms a 'mooooood' killer
2. are able to properly use birth control
3. get pregnant and decide to carry it to term without becoming lost between options due to misguided emotions...so don't wait until the last, last minute to decide "NO I CANT HAVE A BABY OMFG!"

The image of seeing their baby being torn to shreds as it's being extracted from them will scar them for life.

[sugartits]

4. Stop being such a slut, but hey whatever goes right Sugartits?

It is possible to have an unplanned pregnancy without being a 'slut'. It is possible to be a 'slut' without having an abortion (just ask yo mama)

[Jaybird]

It is possible to have an unplanned pregnancy without being a 'slut'. It is possible to be a 'slut' without having an abortion (just ask yo mama)
It is possible to own up to your mistakes without having to kill anyone.

[sugartits]

It is possible to own up to your mistakes without having to kill anyone.

I disagree that owning up to the mistake means deciding to have the baby. It doesn't erase the mistake and consequences. Abortion is not killing somebody. But guess if I was Catholic I'd probably think otherwise

[Jaybird]

Abortion is not killing somebody.
Somebody should slap the shit out of you, repeatedly. Quit fucking talking.

[sugartits]

Somebody should slap the shit out of you, repeatedly. Quit fucking talking.

It must really suck to feel so strongly about one's opinions, but not be able to adequately defend and support them. So sorry you are so hostile regarding the issue. To each their owners.

[Jaybird]

It must really suck to feel so strongly about one's opinions, but not be able to adequately defend and support them. So sorry you are so hostile regarding the issue. To each their owners.
That's why I hate you stupid cunts. You act like there's an "argument" to begin with. There's not. Murder is murder.

[sugartits]

That's why I hate you stupid cunts. You act like there's an "argument" to begin with. There's not. Murder is murder.

That's not true. There are plenty of other cases where murder is not 'murder', but called something else and considered a justifiable reason to end a life prematurely. Probably some you'd accept yourself.

[Jaybird]

That's not true. There are plenty of other cases where murder is not 'murder', but called something else and considered a justifiable reason to end a life prematurely. Probably some you'd accept yourself.
What kind of stupid bitch makes an argument like that? An unborn baby is not the same as a nigger breaking in your house to kill you and rape your wife.

[Jake Featherston]

Upon conception, a genetically unique human organism is created (or maybe two of them, in the case of identical twins). If no violence is done to this human organism, it will become (barring other calamities) a fully-developed person. Thus it is an indisputable fact that human life begins at conception. Killing a human organism thay will soon become a fully concious person may not be identical to murder, buts its close enough to warrant its being made illegal. Its certainly very similar to murder. Abortion is a form of violent activity that results in the death of a human.

And being Catholic has nothing to do with it. While I call myself a Catholic for reasons of Celtic tribalism and admiration for the Roman Empire, I don't even really believe in God.

[Pasdaran]

Abortion is semitically correct white genocide.

[sugartits]

What kind of stupid bitch makes an argument like that? An unborn baby is not the same as a nigger breaking in your house to kill you and rape your wife.

No, it's not.

How about taking one life to save many, for one way to justify murder. Instead of a murderer you might have a 'hero'. I was just responding to your platitude.

[Jaybird]

No, it's not.

How about taking one life to save many, for one way to justify murder. Instead of a murderer you might have a 'hero'. I was just responding to your platitude.

If you make one more post on this subject, you're going to convince me that Weikel's been right all along. Without having witnessed any kind of stats, I can guarantee you that 99.9% of abortions have nothing to do with saving the mother's life.
I would think even a wannabe hipster like yourself would've seen Juno by now.

[Pasdaran]

While the occurrences of abortion should be reduced as much possible,it is needed for certain cases like when a white woman gets impregnated by a nigger rapist.

[Jaybird]

Niggers aren't human so the same standards don't apply. Aborting black babies would be akin to smashing a wasp's nest or stepping on a cockroach, only much more beneficial.

[bardamu]

Notice how the author of the piece, one Chad Selweski, brown noses his editor by
writing "so-call partial birth abortion". What would he prefer, "late-choice abortion"?

[Jake Featherston]

While the occurrences of abortion should be reduced as much possible,it is needed for certain cases like when a white woman gets impregnated by a nigger rapist.

I'm not a big fan of the rape exception per se, but exceptions for incest, miscegenation, and catastrophic birth defects all make sense to me.

[Mandalore]

I'm not a big fan of the rape exception per se, but exceptions for incest, miscegenation, and catastrophic birth defects all make sense to me.


So as long as a White man rapes your daughter, you think she should be forced to bear a child who carries the genes of a violent rapist?

Jesus, man; no child should come in to this world as a product of rape. That's just a recipe for a career criminal.

[Jaybird]

I'm pretty sure Jake feels the same way, but if you allow abortions only in cases of rape then every dumb slut in the country would be claiming she got "raped".

[bardamu]

I'm not a big fan of the rape exception per se, but exceptions for incest, miscegenation, and catastrophic birth defects all make sense to me.

My exceptions are incest, catastrophic birth defects, real rape, non-White. Really, do we advocate that Chinese, Indians, or Mexicans cease with abortions?

[The Exorcist]

So as long as a White man rapes your daughter, you think she should be forced to bear a child who carries the genes of a violent rapist?

Jesus, man; no child should come in to this world as a product of rape. That's just a recipe for a career criminal.

I don't think Jake was pointing to race as a factor

I'm pretty sure Jake feels the same way, but if you allow abortions only in cases of rape then every dumb slut in the country would be claiming she got "raped".

A damn scary scenario indeed. But it's very difficult for a woman to even prove rape, especially if it can be shown that she said that just to get an abortion. Either way, I too see too many problems by allowing the "only for rape victims" exception. If a woman will have herself scraped away as a birth control method with no regrets, then that's a mark on her record and raises a flag for everyone about her character

[ZOG]

Upon conception, a genetically unique human organism is created (or maybe two of them, in the case of identical twins). If no violence is done to this human organism, it will become (barring other calamities) a fully-developed person. Thus it is an indisputable fact that human life begins at conception. Killing a human organism thay will soon become a fully concious person may not be identical to murder, buts its close enough to warrant its being made illegal. Its certainly very similar to murder. Abortion is a form of violent activity that results in the death of a human.

And being Catholic has nothing to do with it. While I call myself a Catholic for reasons of Celtic tribalism and admiration for the Roman Empire, I don't even really believe in God.

I view later term abortions as murder, prior to two months otoh the fetus can't feel even the most basic stimuli. I think a bare minimum of consciousness is required before its called murder so early term it ain't.

[ZOG]

I'm not a big fan of the rape exception per se, but exceptions for incest, miscegenation, and catastrophic birth defects all make sense to me.

If you do outlaw abortion you cannot make an exception for rape period, as bad as forcing a woman to bear a rape child to term its too much of a motivation for a false accusation there.

[The Exorcist]

If you do outlaw abortion you cannot make an exception for rape period, as bad as forcing a woman to bear a rape child to term its too much of a motivation for a false accusation there.

they'll just go back to coat hangers

[Zed]

That's their problem.

[Jaybird]

If you do outlaw abortion you cannot make an exception for rape period, as bad as forcing a woman to bear a rape child to term its too much of a motivation for a false accusation there.
The best possible scenario would be to outlaw all abortion period, but in cases of rape the authorities would look the other way like they used to. Of course, that would require common sense so it won't ever happen.

[Breckinridge Elkins]

they'll just go back to coat hangers

Be good for the economy.

[bardamu]

If you do outlaw abortion you cannot make an exception for rape period, as bad as forcing a woman to bear a rape child to term its too much of a motivation for a false accusation there.

Not really. All that is necessary is to require a raped women to go to the police at the time of the rape, not later after she finds out she is pregnant. No ex post facto rape. The only laws we truly need are laws prohibiting White women from aborting, and maybe Japanese women too.

[Pasdaran]

Not really. All that is necessary is to require a raped women to go to the police at the time of the rape, not later after she finds out she is pregnant. No ex post facto rape. The only laws we truly need are laws prohibiting White women from aborting, and maybe Japanese women too.

You wouldn't want the babies of white men and their japanese wives to be aborted? :p

[bardamu]

You wouldn't want the babies of white men and their japanese wives to be aborted? :p

No.

[Jake Featherston]

Really, do we advocate that Chinese, Indians, or Mexicans cease with abortions?

Ideally, we wouldn't have to bother legislating for them, as they'd all be foreigners. But as long as they're here, they should be encouraged to abort, yes.

[Helena]

Ideally, we wouldn't have to bother legislating for them, as they'd all be foreigners. But as long as they're here, they should be encouraged to abort, yes.

What? It's only murder if it is a White fetus?

[ZOG]

What? It's only murder if it is a White fetus?

Um they is very racist (no offense guys) and think nits make lice.

I too think early term abortions among the underclass should be encouraged, but I don't view such as murder.

[The Exorcist]

Not really. All that is necessary is to require a raped women to go to the police at the time of the rape, not later after she finds out she is pregnant. No ex post facto rape. The only laws we truly need are laws prohibiting White women from aborting, and maybe Japanese women too.

That never works. Most women are humiliated after rape and a lot of them don't report it. I don't exactly know a lot of women that are "gung hoe" and ready to take action when necessary.

[bardamu]

What? It's only murder if it is a White fetus?

Chinese and Mexican birthrates threaten to swamp the boat. This isn't the case with Whites, quite the contrary.

[il ragno]

That never works. Most women are humiliated after rape and a lot of them don't report it. I don't exactly know a lot of women that are "gung hoe" and ready to take action when necessary.


True. The ones I've raped blubber and cry like I just killed their kid sister or their favorite pet. Which, I gotta admit, I threaten to do if they ever tell anybody what happened.

[PvtTitus]

Hello. Raped women don't get pregnant. Too much stress.

Gawd there is so much work to do. :(

[Jaybird]

Hello. Raped women don't get pregnant. Too much stress.
Yes, I don't know the stats but rapes rarely end up in pregnancies.

[PvtTitus]

Yep, it is one of the many canards the Baal worshippers spew.

I got an old Catholic response to infantcide for profit I will have to dig out.

Other: is "it is a woman's body it is her decision."

Duh. Test tube babies exist now. No woman. Woman are incubators. Duh.

But it is not alive. Duh then it would rot.

Madness.

[sugartits]

If you make one more post on this subject, you're going to convince me that Weikel's been right all along.

I'd like to spare you the shame and humiliation of admitting Weikel is right, but unfortunately I can't.

Why should anyone take your opinions seriously when you jump the guns with cheap cop-outs like:

-claiming "niggers aren't human"
-insulting and looking down on people who don't share your views (more like rigid, emotion-based convictions),
which are just means of avoiding acknowledging the facts or the opinions of the 'dehumanized' other.

and then have the audacity to throw in a typical covert near-threat too many men use:

"How dare a woman talk to me that way", which extensively implies women should not confront/argue with men, in part because of the 'weight-class' difference. It's kind of like preventing the frustration of being proven wrong by a person perceived inferior, a big blow to the ego, and further frustration 'cause it cannot be satisfied with violence because of social mores sayin men shouldnt hit girls (unless, of course, Weikel happens to be right and you accept your rationalization). Maybe you can punch me one day (since I'm obviously asking for it) I'll eventually heal.


but all along it's your choice to come across as taking it personally....and mine to respond seriously.


Without having witnessed any kind of stats, I can guarantee you that 99.9% of abortions have nothing to do with saving the mother's life.
I would think even a wannabe hipster like yourself would've seen Juno by now.

Personally, I'm pro-choice regardless of whether the mother's life is at stake and I've never even heard of Juno. Any good?

[Pasdaran]

Why are women here giving their opinions on politics? Politics is for men only!

[WFHermans]

I wonder what happens if the foetus tries to crawl away. Dr. Goldstein will follow it and stab it to shreds with his scalpel I guess.

[WFHermans]

Under the procedure, rarely used and only in the latter stages of pregnancy, the fetus is partially extracted from a woman's uterus and then its skull is punctured or crushed to complete the abortion.It takes a student of the Talmud to appreciate the debate about the difference between sucking a foetus' brain out when it's inside vs. when it's outside the womb.