Compulsive Jewish apologists and obessed anti-semites are two sides of the same idiotic coin

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Being paralyzed with fear and afraid to criticize any Jew in any circumstance is retarded. Being convinced that Jews are behind everything, that all Jews march in step with one another, and that nothing bad in the world has a non-Jewish orgin is also retarded.

The two groups of soap opera rejects fuel each other by convincing each other that their world view is correct. Every time a Judeo-Obsessive sees a Jewish apologist, he is wrongly convinced that he is right about all Jews. Every time a Jewish apologist sees a Judeo-obessive, he is wrongly convinced that his paranoia is justified.

Both groups of people are idiots.

Anyone disagree?

[PvtTitus]

Yawn. Moderates need * redacted *. :disagree: Pick a bloody side.

Your history of controlling the opposition with tactics like this is being understood by more each day.

Sell your possessions and give the proceeds to Daughters of Wehrmacht fund, accept Jesus as your Savior, and become a street preacher. Then we'll consider tagging you as a "good jew."

[Winston]

I can't think of anyone who really sits in either of those very extreme camps.

[Wotan]

I think David Duke sits in the 'everything is the jews fault' camp.

So does Alex Linder, the posters on VNN, WNF and a few others.

[WFHermans]

The media is in the other camp. Consider "ritual slaughter". Every time jews are accused of a crime like that the media immediately claims the jews are innocent, without examining the case.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Your history of controlling the opposition with tactics like this is being understood by more each day.

Sell your possessions and give the proceeds to Daughters of Wehrmacht fund, accept Jesus as your Savior, and become a street preacher. Then we'll consider tagging you as a "good jew."
Obviously I am attacking your opposition, not controlling it. I don't think you apply for acceptance among the ranks of a movement by attacking its sacred cows. If I wanted to infiltrate you, I would pretend to agree with you.

Analogously, if I attacked the Pope, I would not be controlling the Catholic church, but alienating it. I am alienating you.

I can't think of anyone who really sits in either of those very extreme camps.
I can think of plenty. And I can think of people who view the opposite camp as evidence that their world view is correct. The only thing it proves is that there are idiots in the world, but its no proper means to make a collective judgment about a population. There are some reactive poeple who feel that they need to defend Jews in every circumstance, to the point of covering up Jewish child molesters because "it might aid the anti-semites." These people are few and far between. But there are a lot of internet posters who are just as ridiculous in the opposite direction, who view the Jews as a monolithic entity and view the Jewish organizations as representations of that monlithic entity.

I think David Duke sits in the 'everything is the Jews fault' camp.

So does Alex Linder, the posters on VNN, WNF and a few others.
It's obvoius that Jews are central to both, however I do think David Duke and Alex Linder have different ideologies.

[PvtTitus]

Discuss.

Alternate universes where

1) Good jews questioning 6 million jews getting gassed with bugspray in an old army shower room with no evidence of the 15,000 tons of human ashes from incineration

2) Good jews fighting for Simon Sheppard's freedom of speech and liberty

http://heretical.org/

3) Good jews investigating Rabbi Dov Zhakiem the Pentagon controller.

Rabbi Dov Zhakiem the Pentagon controller cannot account for 2.6 trillion dollars and leaves without an investigation completed. Some buildings collapse in Washington DC and NYC and them. A team of accounants, who had the Dov records, are located in a unprotected side of the Pentagon where a "Muslim" who could barely fly a cessna skims the earth and hits the exact spot where the investigation team is. The Jew Air Force general in charge is promoted. A jew FBI director, Homeland Security Czar, Attorney General, 911 Commissioner, Judge on the 911 survivor families case, all major tv networksm, and major newspapers are silent.

[Wotan]

I dont like jews, they are parasitic.

However, one thing about the so-called White Nationalist movement (like Duke, Linder, MuaDib and others on SF, VNN and WNF) is that they spend 24/7 attacking jews, and 0 - that's right - ZIP amount of time promoting their own Culture.

The problem could be - there is no such thing as WHITE CULTURE, or 'The White Race'.

[WFHermans]

You're exaggerating, but I agree the attack jews/defend Aryan culture ratio is far too big in WN circles. I'm guilty of that myself.

If you read Hitler's speeches you'll notice that the relative time he spent attacking jews is very small.

[Wotan]

The National Socialist were primarily concerned about the German people and Germany. They spent less than 10% of their time thinking about jews.

With the White Nationalists on the other hand, 'Jew bashing and hating jews', is central policy.

It could be argued that WN'ists (like Duke, Linder, VNN, SF, WNF etc) are Jew Haters, not Racists, and certainly not National Socialists.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I agree with that. And pan-europeanism isn't real racialism.

When Hitler said "aryan," he did not mean Italian/Spanish/Greek and Polish/Russian people. He ONLY meant northwestern European. Now obviously that doesn't make much sense, because the real Aryans are in India and Iran, but you get my point. And as far as this goes, I think he was right to subdivide.

I approximately support the subdivisions that Carleton Coon supported : Nordic/Nordish (determined by Skeleton, NOT hair color), Mediterranean (including Arabia), and Upper Paleolithic (Including Slavs, some Romanians/Moldavians, some Iranians, some Indians, Georgians, and the far Northeast of Eurasia). But I disagree, partially, with Coon's conclusion on the origins of Nordics. Nevertheless the point is that his categories are approximately accurate, and the other point is that European nationalities cluster by DNA. Every nationalist should be aware of that, of the diversity of the European peoples, and every nationalist should understand that ALL nationalists are friends in philosophy, but nationalists must not be pan-European as advocated by WN.

[Abu Junaid]

I got more respect for a Jew hater then I do a nationalist. The majority of Jew haters are intellectuals, while the majority of nationalist are flag waving clowns.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Many people assume that racialism is in the self-interest of white gentiles, and if white gentiles are not racialists, some force must be misguiding them. These are two big assumptions, one that racialism is right, and two that people do what is right. A third question deals with the question of moral universalism, but I will leave that alone because it is beyond the scope of this post. Assuming racialism is in the self-interest of whites (which I think it is), I point out that people make decisions against their own self-interest all the time. Whether impulse buying an expensive item that won't be used, committing homosexuality, being a criminal, or starting unnecessary wars, humans are not angels, and all the people don't do the "right thing" all of the time. So it's no surprise that all whites don't act in what WN labels as the white self-interest. In short, I do believe some extremely paranoid Jews play a contributing role, but white gentiles wouldn't necessarily need the assistance of Jews to dig themselves in a ditch. All it takes is people who make the wrong choices.

There are many reasons why white people can reject nationalism / racialism : individualism, religious convictions, a capitalist mindset, pure laziness, a Trotskyite socialist mindset, sincere commitment to anti-racism, MTV style worship of minorities, drugs / alcohol, and perhaps some people are lemmings who follow the media blindly. But I don't think the Jews are solely to blame for the problems of the white race.

So I reject the idea that Jews are totally responsible for the predicament the white race finds itself in. However, outside of this, I do think some Jews are quite worthy of criticism. The most militant leaders of Jewish organizations generally have chips on their shoulders, are obsessed with their own persecution, and try to take this mindset into the political arena to the detriment of their host nations. This is SOME Jews. Not all Jews. And every ethnic group from Russians to Greeks has its share of people who are not useful to racialism. There is no white ethnic group that is 100% angelic.

[Lenny]

In short, I do believe some extremely paranoid Jews play a contributing role, but white gentiles wouldn't necessarily need the assistance of Jews to dig themselves in a ditch. All it takes is people who make the wrong choices.People are not born fully conscious and ready to "make choices". People's choices are dependent on their social conditioning from the cradle to young adulthood. The blame for most "choices" can be laid directly on the nature of social conditioning that the person had / the culture-&-society he or she grew up in.

That is the fundamental argument of thoughtful anti-Semites. As Jews are smart and tend to get ahead in various fields [Hollywood, media, education], they are able to heavily influence the social-conditioning of the young. As a hyperethnoconscious people, that power can be disastrous for their perceived [potential] enemies.

[Wotan]

I agree with that. And pan-europeanism isn't real racialism.

When Hitler said "aryan," he did not mean Italian/Spanish/Greek and Polish/Russian people. He ONLY meant northwestern European. Now obviously that doesn't make much sense, because the real Aryans are in India and Iran, but you get my point. And as far as this goes, I think he was right to subdivide.

I approximately support the subdivisions that Carleton Coon supported : Nordic/Nordish (determined by Skeleton, NOT hair color), Mediterranean (including Arabia), and Upper Paleolithic (Including Slavs, some Romanians/Moldavians, some Iranians, some Indians, Georgians, and the far Northeast of Eurasia). But I disagree, partially, with Coon's conclusion on the origins of Nordics. Nevertheless the point is that his categories are approximately accurate, and the other point is that European nationalities cluster by DNA. Every nationalist should be aware of that, of the diversity of the European peoples, and every nationalist should understand that ALL nationalists are friends in philosophy, but nationalists must not be pan-European as advocated by WN.

I agree.

I suspect the people behind White Nationalism (the Klan) are for the most part Celts and Latins, who, are getting a bit worried with the increase in numbers by African, Muslim and South America people.

The Klan will never advocate National Socialism, because this is strictly for the Germanic people, and so to counter their growing isolation in a increasingly hostile world, the Klan (together with Christians groups - i.e. Catholics) are throwing their weight behind WN.

[Wotan]

As for the disposition of the jews.

From my point of view, I believe Blood ultimately determines a persons behaviour. Young people can be indoctrinated and led into making mistakes which go contrary to their blood, but, as people grow older, any 'conditioning' of such sorts - wears off, and Blood dominates.

In light of this view, I believe jewish behaviour also stems from their blood. That is their semitic blood. Jews are not 'hard-working' or 'ingenious' as it appears, but, rather, jews become economically successfull as a result of their immense Egotism and Chauvenistic character which is inherent in the semites - particularly the jews.

The answer for handling the jews lies with looking at ourselves and promoting our culture.

[Ron Hitler-Barassi]

As for the disposition of the jews.

From my point of view, I believe blood ultimately determines a persons behaviour. Young people can be indoctrinated and led into making mistakes which go contrary to their blood, but, as people grow older any 'conditioning' of such sorts - wears off, and Blood dominates.

In light of this view, I believe jewish behaviour also stems from their blood. That is their semitic blood. Jews are not 'hard-working' or 'ingenous' as it appears, but, rather, jews become economically successfull as a result of their immense Egotism and Chauvenistic character which is inherent in the semites - particularly the jews.

The answer for handling the jews lies with looking at ourselves and promoting our culture.

QFT
+rep

[The Green Man]

I agree.

I suspect the people behind White Nationalism (the Klan) are for the most part Celts and Latins, who, are getting a bit worried with the increase in numbers by African, Muslim and South America people.

The Klan will never advocate National Socialism, because this is strictly for the Germanic people, and so to counter their growing isolation in a increasingly hostile world, the Klan (together with Christians groups - i.e. Catholics) are throwing their weight behind WN.
There is no rational reason why National Socialism should be strictly for Germans. I know Hitler said it was "not for export", but what exactly is he going to do about it?

[WFHermans]

There is no rational reason why National Socialism should be strictly for Germans. I know Hitler said it was "not for export", but what exactly is he going to do about it?
Nothing. Unlike democrats, communists and zionists, national-socialists like Hitler don't want to impose their political system on other people.

[Mandalore]

People are not born fully conscious and ready to "make choices". People's choices are dependent on their social conditioning from the cradle to young adulthood. The blame for most "choices" can be laid directly on the nature of social conditioning that the person had / the culture-&-society he or she grew up in.

That is the fundamental argument of thoughtful anti-Semites. As Jews are smart and tend to get ahead in various fields [Hollywood, media, education], they are able to heavily influence the social-conditioning of the young. As a hyperethnoconscious people, that power can be disastrous for their perceived [potential] enemies.


This post was mature, thoughtful and on-topic.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR LENNY?! :confused:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I agree.

I suspect the people behind White Nationalism (the Klan) are for the most part Celts and Latins, who, are getting a bit worried with the increase in numbers by African, Muslim and South America people.

The Klan will never advocate National Socialism, because this is strictly for the Germanic people, and so to counter their growing isolation in a increasingly hostile world, the Klan (together with Christians groups - i.e. Catholics) are throwing their weight behind WN.
I agree, the influences of the klan are not National Socialist, they are Confederate. End of story. Although people running around calling themselves Klans can believe in just about anything. For the most part I think Celts and Latins understand that they are not Germanic. Most Irish people consider themselves to be a victimized group if you talk to one down the street. I'm not talking about the ones who involve themselves with WN.

Celts, Latins, and Slavs are not even Indo-European.
I strongly dislike it when people try to pass slavs off as western european, though I believe the real "aryans" are in South Asia, not Germany/Austria.

As for the disposition of the jews.

From my point of view, I believe Blood ultimately determines a persons behaviour. Young people can be indoctrinated and led into making mistakes which go contrary to their blood, but, as people grow older, any 'conditioning' of such sorts - wears off, and Blood dominates.

In light of this view, I believe jewish behaviour also stems from their blood. That is their semitic blood. Jews are not 'hard-working' or 'ingenious' as it appears, but, rather, jews become economically successfull as a result of their immense Egotism and Chauvenistic character which is inherent in the semites - particularly the jews.

The answer for handling the jews lies with looking at ourselves and promoting our culture.
Arabs are more Semitic than Jews are. Yet Arabs behave quite differently than Jews. I really think it's oversimplification to say culture is 100% born into someone, but I will say that people like to identify with their own. They don't have to. But they like to. It's a matter of preference.

There is no rational reason why National Socialism should be strictly for Germans. I know Hitler said it was "not for export", but what exactly is he going to do about it?
It is strictly for Germanics (Austrian, English, German, Scandinavian, etc). Likewise, Kahanism, the Jewish Zionist ideology, cannot be exported either. It can be admired, modeled after, and emulated, but it can't be exported. Now don't get me wrong, Slavs and Latins can be fascists, but they can't be Nazis and they can't be racially German. Having a Polish or Russian Nazi is like having a Jewish nazi. How seriously would you take it? And the fact that some people who were not considered "aryan" (Japan, Italy, Croatia) collaborated with Nazis doesn't refute anything I'm saying. The Croats were not Nazis obsessed with race, they were clerical Catholic fascists who refused to exterminate converts to Catholicism during world war II, so that takes away that potential argument.

I think the racial and historical conditions that created national socialism at the time were unique, and new ideologies are the way of the future.

[PvtTitus]

When Hitler said "aryan," he did not mean Italian/Spanish/Greek and Polish/Russian people. He ONLY meant northwestern European.



Ah that fascinating Jewish trait - the ability to read the minds of long dead white men.


Now obviously that doesn't make much sense, because the real Aryans are in India and Iran, but you get my point. And as far as this goes, I think he was right to subdivide.

Well you have got the not making sense bit correct at least.

Let see what the Chosen think about mighty whiteys origin:

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/wp-content/uploads/caucasus.gif

Ah Georgia :) Another current home away from home from G-d's Light of Nations.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Mein Kampf clearly documents Hitlers resenting foreigners who are not Jewish. You should actually read it.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch03.html

I was repelled by the conglomeration of races which the capital showed me, repelled by this whole mixture of Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, Ruthenians, Serbs, and Croats, and everywhere, the eternal mushroom of humanity-Jews and more Jews. To me the giant city seemed the embodiment of racial desecration. The German of my youth was the dialect of Lower Bavaria, I could neither forget it nor learn the Viennese jargon. The longer I lived in this city, the more my hatred grew for the foreign mixture of peoples which had begun to corrode this old site of German culture.
You see Hitler did not consider the Croats to be "aryan" he just considered them to be ideological allies.

The Caucasoid race started out in Africa, spread to Eurasia, and then evolved into two groups : Upper Paleolithic (South Asian) and Mediterranean (Arabic). Those two groups then spread to Europe, and mixed to various degrees, eventually forming a third groups, nordics/nordish.

[Lenny]

Who wouldn't resent the presence of huge numbers of foreigners in their national capital?

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

But "white nationalism" is the opposite of what Hitler preached. According to WN, if they were white and not Jewish, they should be welcomed.

Hitler though was willing to accommodate other northwestern Europeans. Notice that every nationality he slammed there was Eastern European, with the possible exception of Ashkenazi Jews, who may be German Jews of partial Israelite origin but could be Eastern European Jews too.

[Wotan]

There is no rational reason why National Socialism should be strictly for Germans. I know Hitler said it was "not for export", but what exactly is he going to do about it?

I think it is strictly for Germanics.

Perfect National Socialism is a religous way of life, it fits with the Nature of the Germanic people, how Germanics live and work together on a day to day basis. The way Germanics live is different to the way other ethnic groups live.

It's all about the Nature of Germanics.

[Wotan]

But "white nationalism" is the opposite of what Hitler preached. According to WN, if they were white and not Jewish, they should be welcomed.

Agreed.

The National Socialists of the 1930's and 40's would be in horror at the sight of "White Nationalism."

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Other ethnic groups like Slavs, Jews, or Southern European (Greeks, Italians, Spaniards) could invent something similar to National Socialism, but they'd have to modify it. To be a true national socialist, a Polish or Russian person would have to accept that the doctrine labels them inferior to Germans. If they revise this doctrine, then they change the fundamentals of the ideology.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

My philosophy on the Jewish community is basically this : "You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs."

Basically there are bad eggs in positions of influence within the Jewish community, but if those eggs were smashed, the community would perhaps seek to ally itself with other nationalists instead of hypocritically bashing them. Peer pressure is an important thing. Destroy the leaders and the followers will scatter. Same thing with open border Catholics and corporate parasites.

[Sertorius]

For those folks who still don't understand why the "holocaust" occurred this video lays it out nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQIj-aDXaIk

No wonder the Germans hated them.

[Lenny]

For those folks who still don't understand why the "holocaust" occurredThat statement is like saying :
"For those who still don't understand how Bigfoot was captured by a pair of Georgia ner-do-wells a few months ago..." :headpat:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The Germans were against Jews for racial theories, not political reasons. It was a nordicism that was particular aimed at Eastern European Jews and at Slavs. Simply put, the fact that they weren't Germans and they were involved with the Russians in the Bolshevic Revolution didn't help, but that was used to propagate racial theories about how the German race could save the world from the Jewish-Slavic Communism.

[Sertorius]

there is more to this than simply believing that one morning the Germans got up and decided they hated the Jews. This same theme is promoted today when it comes to Muslims and US involvement in the M.E. That is to say "they hate us for our freedom" and other assorted nonsense. This is not a case of what came first, the chicken or the egg. National Socialist views on the Jews came from observed behavior and wondering why in the hell they act this way, for example, today, to use something in present time, Jews voting for Obama. Bear in mind Newton's law that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is what happened in Germany as a reaction to Jew Bolshevism, particularly the blood letting that Trotsky unleashed on Germany shortly after WWI. From talking to some Germans that are old enough to remember this they acted the same arrogant way they do in America.

It is this sort of self destructive conduct that got the Nazis to look into this in an attempt to understand why. The racial theories came afterwords, not before. In any event, if most Jews wish to commit suicide they have no right to drag the rest of us down with them.

I look at this war in Iraq and know who was in the forefront of promoting it and I understand why the Germans said "enough".

This is not a case of defending the Nazis as it is understanding why they got angry about this sort of crap. I prefer a constitutional republic, but I am willing to look at it from their point of view. Like it or not, on some things they were correct.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The Germans particularly hated Jews, but they didn't uniquely hate Jews. They hated Slavs, gypsies too. I don't know if gypsies were linked to Bolshevism but Slavs were. So you can't say its just the Jews. Some Jews aided Bolshevism but an intelligent counterrevolutionary would have still sided with nationalist Jews.

Fascists attempted to get Jews on their side, but national socialists attempted to alienate ALL Jews.

[mannequin]

Some Jews aided Bolshevism but an intelligent counterrevolutionary would have still sided with nationalist Jews.

Fascists attempted to get Jews on their side, but national socialists attempted to alienate ALL Jews.

http://adolfthegreat.com/Trails/TransferAgreement.html

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I think the difference between fascists (counterrevolutionaries) and nazis (racial revolutionaries) is that the fascists didn't care so much about race, only nation loyalty, but the nazis based everything off of race.

While I recognize that today's ultra liberalism and racial egalitarianism has gone too far, and open borders have gone too far, I believe the fascist position is superior. There has to be some room for individual mobility. The fascists recognized that individual Jews and Slavs could be allies against Bolshevism, but the Nazis didn't take the idea seriously.

Another important point is that Sephardic Jews, being Mediterraneans, assimilate well into Italy and Spain. But Ashkenazi Jews, being a mix between Eastern Europe and the Near East, DON'T assimilate well into Germany.

[Wotan]

there is more to this than simply believing that one morning the Germans got up and decided they hated the Jews. This same theme is promoted today when it comes to Muslims and US involvement in the M.E. That is to say "they hate us for our freedom" and other assorted nonsense. This is not a case of what came first, the chicken or the egg. National Socialist views on the Jews came from observed behavior and wondering why in the hell they act this way, for example, today, to use something in present time, Jews voting for Obama. Bear in mind Newton's law that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is what happened in Germany as a reaction to Jew Bolshevism, particularly the blood letting that Trotsky unleashed on Germany shortly after WWI. From talking to some Germans that are old enough to remember this they acted the same arrogant way they do in America.

It is this sort of self destructive conduct that got the Nazis to look into this in an attempt to understand why. The racial theories came afterwords, not before. In any event, if most Jews wish to commit suicide they have no right to drag the rest of us down with them.

I look at this war in Iraq and know who was in the forefront of promoting it and I understand why the Germans said "enough".

This is not a case of defending the Nazis as it is understanding why they got angry about this sort of crap. I prefer a constitutional republic, but I am willing to look at it from their point of view. Like it or not, on some things they were correct.

Good post and I agree.

Many senior National Socialist were educated and intellectual. Emphasis on understanding the jews rationally (rather than emotional anger) was made under National Socialism in comparison to the violent anti-semitic outbreaks across medeval Europe under the christians.

[Sertorius]

Wotan,

Yes. All one has to do is to look at the educational background of someone like Dr. Goebbels to see this, to name one of the most prominent.

If you haven't already read it an interesting book about Hitler's early years is titled The Young Hitler I knew, by August Kubizek. This is a rare book I happened upon years ago. In it one can see how and why Hitler started to question Jewish tribal behavior.

[PvtTitus]

The Germans particularly hated Jews, but they didn't uniquely hate Jews. They hated Slavs, gypsies too.

You are a silly person like FreeJewMan. You have that uber Jew trait of being able to read long dead peoples minds. Millions of individuals. Long dead millions. :rolleyes:

Having partied with Germans the only thing Germans hate is running out of beer and wine. And fine young busty maidens hate bathings suits when lounging at the rock quarry turned pebble beach :heartthrob:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Read Mein Kampf.

[Wotan]

Wotan,

Yes. All one has to do is to look at the educational background of someone like Dr. Goebbels to see this, to name one of the most prominent.

If you haven't already read it an interesting book about Hitler's early years is titled The Young Hitler I knew, by August Kubizek. This is a rare book I happened upon years ago. In it one can see how and why Hitler started to question Jewish tribal behavior.
Amazing and Thanks. I never knew Kubizek wrote a book. I may take a peek sometime.

Dr. Goebbels is a good example:


Goebbels earned a Ph.D. in Heidelberg University in 1921, writing his doctoral thesis on 18th century romantic drama;


Albert Speer the Architect is another one.

[Sertorius]

Kane,

I've read Mein Kampf. In fact, I have two translations of it. One is the Mannheim version printed in the US in 1943, the other the Murphy translation from 1938. I bought the other one because I wanted to check out the translation for accuracy.

The book makes interesting reading. One thing I learn is how the Jews took his words about the "big lie" and twisted them beyond recognition. Anyone who reads those paragraphs would immediately understand that Hitler was writing about Jewish propaganda techniques. Hitler was quoted out of context.

[Sertorius]

Wotan,

This is a fine book. Kubizek doesn't apologize for anything and is proud of his friendship. I think that it is out of print, but you might find it on Amazon or a book seller. There might even be an online copy on the Internet.

Years ago I wanted a copy of Hitler's War. I couldn't find a copy for sale nor was it in the library. I know it is simply a coincident, but it seems that all the copies were "lost". I hired a book seller to run me a copy down and am happy to note that I got David Irving to autograph it for me recently.

[Wotan]

Wotan,

This is a fine book. Kubizek doesn't apologize for anything and is proud of his friendship. I think that it is out of print, but you might find it on Amazon or a book seller. There might even be an online copy on the Internet.

Years ago I wanted a copy of Hitler's War. I couldn't find a copy for sale nor was it in the library. I know it is simply a coincident, but it seems that all the copies were "lost". I hired a book seller to run me a copy down and am happy to note that I got David Irving to autograph it for me recently.
Kudos to that.

I found Hitler's War to be a brilliant read.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Hitler in my opinion, could have had a moral highground by pointing out the extent that Jews were involved in Communism, and then standing against communism. But he surrendered that highground when he developed his own ideology that was just as extreme as Communism. Of course I'm not as anti-Communist as most nationalists are, but he could have built a bigger movement based on anti-Communism. Why didn't he? Because he was primarily anti-semitic, not anti-communist.

If he would have just stuck to anti-communism, and anti-semitism based only on pointing out that Jews had a lot of power within Communism, and ignored the race argument, he probably would have gotten a lot more support. If he argued against Bolshevism politically instead of Jews and Slavs racially, he could have gotten more support.

Part of the explanation for this may be that he thought he was going to win easy, so his narcissism could explain his unwillingness to compromise ideologically.

[PvtTitus]

Hitler in my opinion, could have had a moral highground by pointing out the extent that Jews were involved in Communism, and then standing against communism. ...

The Elders of Zion concept still eludes Kane...

"Germany is too strong. We must destroy her."
- Winston Churchill, Nov. 1936.


"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite!"
- London Daily Express, March 24, 1933


"Hitler will have No war but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon"
- Emil Ludwig Cohn Les Annales, June, 1934 "The New Holy Alliance"


"We Jews are going to bring a war On Germany."
- David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quote "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52)


"The war was not just a matter of the elimination of Fascism in Germany, but rather of obtaining German sales markets."
- Winston Churchill. March, 1946.


"Britain was taking advantage of the situation to go to war against Germany because the Reich had become too strong and had upset the European balance."
- Ralph F. Keeling, Institute of American Economics


"I emphasized that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit."
- Samuel Untermeyer, The Public Years, p.347.


On September 2nd 1939 a delegate of the Labour Party met with the British Foreign Minister Halifax in the lobby of Parliament. 'Do you still have hope?' he asked. 'If you mean hope for war,' answered Halifax, 'then your hope will be fulfilled tomorrow. 'God be thanked!' replied the representative of the British Labour Party.
- Professor Michael Freund.


"In April, 1939 (four months before the outbreak of war), I felt sorry for the German people. We were planning - and we had the force to carry out our plans - to obliterate a once mighty nation."
- Admiral Daniel Leahy; U.S Ambassador


"In no country has the historical blackout been more intense and effective than in Great Britain. Here it has been ingeniously christened The Iron Curtain of Discreet Silence. Virtually nothing has been written to reveal the truth about British responsibility for the Second World War and its disastrous results."
- Harry Elmer Barnes. American Historian


GERMANY DID NOT WANT WAR
"I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that Hitler was right." - Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, March,16th, 1984


"The last thing Hitler wanted was to produce another great war." - Sir Basil Liddell Hart


"I see no reason why this war must go on. I am grieved to think of the sacrifices which it will claim. I would like to avert them." - Adolf Hitler, July, 1940.


Winston Churchill agrees: "We entered the war of our own free will, without ourselves being directly assaulted." - Guild Hall Speech, July 1943.


MYTH 1. THE GERMAN NATION IS AN AGGRESSIVE NATION
The facts prove otherwise. A Study of War by Prof. Quincy Wright, shows that in the period from 1480 to 1940 there were 278 wars involving European countries whose percentage participation was as follows:
ENGLAND 28%
FRANCE 26%
SPAIN 23%
RUSSIA 22%
AUSTRIA 19%
TURKEY 15%
POLAND 11%
SWEDEN 9%
ITALY 9%
NETHERLANDS 8%
GERMANY (INCLUDING PRUSSIA) 8%
DENMARK 7%

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

The point went right over your head. That if Hitler would have simply argued against Communism, and argued that Jews were too Communist, but ignored race, then all those other nations would have been more likely to ally with him against Russia. But instead nations like Britain looked at Hitler and said "he's just as bad as Stalin."

Now in my case, I'm less anti-communist than most nationalists, but that's not the point.

[PvtTitus]

The point went right over your head. That if Hitler would have simply argued against Communism, and argued that Jews were too Communist, but ignored race, ...

the only motive I see is Churchill's:

"The war was not just a matter of the elimination of Fascism in Germany, but rather of obtaining German sales markets."
- Winston Churchill. March, 1946.

For us goy that don't share the Chosen ability to read dead goyim's minds can you provide us one quote that WWII was over saving the Chosen from zee evil Germans?

I can provide you chubby jew draft dodgers working in ball bearing plants and
getting liberated, their swimming pools, wedding, camp currency, operas, theaters etc

I can show you and increase in world jewry population.

I can show now graves at camps using ground radar.

I can show you no bug spray residue in mens shower where millions were supposed to have been gassed.

I can show you the Har'ratz agreement where Hitler and the Elders agreed to send eurojews to Palestine.

Now you show me a speech or military order that put 300,000 British troops in mainland Europe poised with another 200,000 frenchies in arms to destroy Germany in order to save some precious flea bag Bolshevik illegal immigrants in Germany and Poland.

* tamps foot in dust, arms crossed, looking sternly * :mad:

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Even if we completely pretend that Hitler wasn't anti-Jew, he still was an anti-Slavic bigot. In other words, he was a maniac, and he lost credibiliy in the west because of it.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Let's be honest. Most people want to believe that the American people are good people and that neo-liberalism is a good idea. So they blame the Jews for the problems. They argue that America could work but Jews ruined it.

This is semi-extremism. Pretending to reject the American ideal but not really rejecting it. Just blaming the Jews for fucking it up.

Screw that, I'm not a semi-extremist, but 100%. I blame the Western version of American capitalism for America's domestic and foreign problems. Individual Jews may be scumbags and some are not, but the problem is American culture. It is your next door neighbors, your professors, your friends and your family. It is not just the Jews. The American attitude at the core is the main problem. If you disagree with that, then you don't deserve to call yourself an extremist.

[O'Zebedee]

My Sunday night wouldn't have been complete without a meandering and strange kane quote.

Salut!

[Johnson]

If you disagree with that, then you don't deserve to call yourself an extremist.

lol, who died and made you commandant?

[Johnson]

Let's be honest. Most people want to believe that the American people are good people and that neo-liberalism is a good idea. So they blame the Jews for the problems. They argue that America could work but Jews ruined it.

This is semi-extremism.

That's full on extremism. Can you tell me what the air outside smells like?

[Johnson]

Screw that, I'm not a semi-extremist, but 100%. I blame the Western version of American capitalism for America's domestic and foreign problems.

You are hardcore, like a one man campus crusade for Obama.

[Fugasnaya]

Let's be honest. Most people want to believe that the American people are good people and that neo-liberalism is a good idea. So they blame the Jews for the problems. They argue that America could work but Jews ruined it.

This is semi-extremism. Pretending to reject the American ideal but not really rejecting it. Just blaming the Jews for fucking it up.

Very few people just stop there. Most acknowledge the stupidity of most Americans as well as the hopelessness of restoring the republic to what it once was.

Screw that, I'm not a semi-extremist, but 100%. I blame the Western version of American capitalism for America's domestic and foreign problems. Individual Jews may be scumbags and some are not, but the problem is American culture. It is your next door neighbors, your professors, your friends and your family. It is not just the Jews. The American attitude at the core is the main problem. If you disagree with that, then you don't deserve to call yourself an extremist.

Who shapes the attitude Kane? Who has been behind Capitalism all along? White men in suits? Surely you understand that almost every modern criticism of Jews has centered around how they use positions of influence to engage in subversion? They're not alone, nobody thinks they are. Personally I think the common denominator between the Jewish and Gentile elite is Luciferian Masonry - so they're really both the same thing and it explains perfectly why capital has proven capable of such incredible inhumanity. The enemy we face is vain, arrogant and grounded in the Talmudic tradition of the Pharisees which Jesus denounced in undeniably socialistic terms.

I don't think you try very hard to understand anti-semitism Kane. You seem determined not to. You are a reactionary.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Anti-semitism as the centerpiece of an ideology is idiotic. Being against the behavior of individual Jews in certain circumstances makes sense, but answering every question with "the Jews" as the answer is retarded. And btw, most "white nationalists" talk about a silent majority, implying that non-Jewish people agree with them...which they don't!

Obviously capitalism is not a conspiracy. It is human nature applied in a governmental system.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Perhaps if antisemitism wasn't so exaggerated, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I hate the entire world. I hate people of every race and ethnic group. But what I see on these forums is just dumb.

[Fugasnaya]

Anti-semitism as the centerpiece of an ideology is idiotic. Being against the behavior of individual Jews in certain circumstances makes sense, but answering every question with "the Jews" as the answer is retarded. And btw, most "white nationalists" talk about a silent majority, implying that non-Jewish people agree with them...which they don't!

Would you say anti-semitism was the centerpiece of Nazi ideology? I wouldn't, but I would say it played an appropriate role. Of course you probably believe in Shoa mythology, so that will sound ridiculous to you. I agree with you regarding the apparent anti-slavic policies of the third reich - many slavs, including those serving in the military were ready to rebel against their Jewish overlords and instead they were treated poorly. Vlasov's army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army) is the classic example of this - the story is Hitler was opposed to allowing Soviet POWs to join the Germans on the eastern front, he had to be convinced.

There is no silent majority of anti-semites and many white nationalists are naive. These individuals I speak of are bourgeois and do not understand revolutionary theory, the explanation for this in many ways goes back to your precious Jews so you probably don't want to hear it.

I think you've been watching a little too much Borat if you think so called anti-semites have nothing to say but "blame the j00s!" It's very clear how it all works, if you're willing to do some reading. The Jewish elite and the gentile elite have various common forums, the Jews control the parameters of political debate with their money and influence. A very small but influential part of the Organized Jewish Community pulls a lot of strings and it is painfully obvious. There is little doubt that at the top of the pyramid of Capital there is anything more than a cabal of Jewish lunatics and their treacherous gentile co-conspirators.

Basing your critique of white nationalism, which I understand as the general tendency of whites to resist their racial demise at the hands of engineered multi-culturalism in the name of capitalism, on the lowest common denominator doesn't make much sense to me. There is a tremendous volume of work deemed anti-semitic which is quite intellectual and grounded in rational thought. Your characterization of white nationalism as backward is equivalent to throwing rocks at the village idiot. Granted, there's more than one idiot - but I don't understand your contemptuous generalizations when there are so many contrary examples. Until you can explain otherwise I must assume Genesis 3:15 enmity against whites.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I'm not against immigration restriction or being "racist." But I think the idea of accepting slavs and southern Europeans as "whites", then turning around and swearing that the middle east is "non-white" (despite the middle eastern origins of Europe) is a joke. It would be like Japanese people swearing that Chinese people are not Yellows...and then including Koreans into their nationalism. I'd have nothing against Japanese nationalism, but its just stupid to say Chinese are non-yellow, and it's dumb to say everyone from the middle east is non-white. Because if that is true, Europeans are non-whites too. That's my main beef with "white nationalism." It's incoherent. Slavs are white yet Hitler is WN? WTF. Then Hitler is pro-slav. haha.

[FIPS]

Being paralyzed with fear and afraid to criticize any Jew in any circumstance is retarded. Being convinced that Jews are behind everything, that all Jews march in step with one another, and that nothing bad in the world has a non-Jewish orgin is also retarded.

The two groups of soap opera rejects fuel each other by convincing each other that their world view is correct. Every time a Judeo-Obsessive sees a Jewish apologist, he is wrongly convinced that he is right about all Jews. Every time a Jewish apologist sees a Judeo-obessive, he is wrongly convinced that his paranoia is justified.

Both groups of people are idiots.

Anyone disagree?

Or, quite possibly:

1) Jews, as so many of them have stated openly, "are interested in everything that is human", leading to equalizing an interest in the creativity of the mind with the productivity of the bowels, and to our present state of the media worship of Judaism, Negritude, Faggotry, Whoredom, Secretion and Excretion, and every other divershitty of perversity. After all, it all bese eguals!

2) Chew apologists "really can't believe" that Jews think this way, because each and every one of them has a nice "pet" Jewfriend, just as Himmler predicted would occur.

3) The "Judeo-Obsessive" sees the truth of 1) and 2), and wishes to react accordingly, with flames in the absence of lightning bolts for dolts and civilization betrayers.

[Fugasnaya]

I'm not against immigration restriction or being "racist." But I think the idea of accepting slavs and southern Europeans as "whites", then turning around and swearing that the middle east is "non-white" (despite the middle eastern origins of Europe) is a joke. It would be like Japanese people swearing that Chinese people are not Yellows...and then including Koreans into their nationalism. I'd have nothing against Japanese nationalism, but its just stupid to say Chinese are non-yellow, and it's dumb to say everyone from the middle east is non-white. Because if that is true, Europeans are non-whites too. That's my main beef with "white nationalism." It's incoherent. Slavs are white yet Hitler is WN? WTF. Then Hitler is pro-slav. haha.

I think White Nationalism has to be understood as a modern phenomenon. It only makes sense in terms of the now universal enmity that Capital has for white European culture. Slavs and Asiatics face somewhat different circumstances, but I have nothing against them. It is in America and Western Europe that dominant white European culture has gradually been supplanted and it is in these nations that White Nationalism is significant.

White Nationalism can become very incoherent when people calling themselves white nationalists start saying incoherent things. There is no entry exam to become a white nationalist. It seems very organic to me. White people everywhere are rejecting multi-culturalism and the capitalist horse it rode in on. It is essentially the rejection of globalism by whites and the affirmation of their racial virtues.

Shit talking other races is not what I would call a manifestation of white nationalism, I would just call that simple racism - an ancient and universal phenomenon that is not even worth condemning. Racism is completely harmless until it becomes pathological and results in clouded judgment. All racism is characterized as pathological and dangerous, but this is just a myth. There is nothing objectionable about making generalizations about the other. The difference with Hitler and the Slavs is that Hitler's apparent bigotry/close mindedness cost the German people dearly because it prevented pragmatism from entering the equation.

[The Green Man]

Screw that, I'm not a semi-extremist, but 100%.
Woah. You're more extreme than a snowboarding Hitler drinking Mountain Jew.
I blame the Western version of American capitalism for America's domestic and foreign problems.
What is the Eastern version of American capitalism?

P.S. You MUST answer this question correctly.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Most racist whites who don't post on the internet also hate other types of whites. They may be Irish Catholics who hate Protestants or they may be Poles who hate Germans. But they extent their "hatred" to other groups within the white race. And for the sake of argument, I'm considering Jews non-white, even though they are scientifically Caucasoid and even though Europeans derive their roots from extra-European caucasoids.

This is much more common than "white nationalism."

Eastern civilization Americanized capitalism would exist on an Indian reservation, Ahknaton, lol.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I'd be for a movement against political correctness, also for new north American geopolitics instead of the 1776 union and against finance capitalism, but not unification of a race. In other words not this "let's have all European-derived people hold hands under the rainbow." Infighting within a race is natural. Individuals are not equals. This is one thing that I agree with the Italian Fascists about!

[Helena]

Now the healing can begin Kane.

[Alia]

I dont like jews, they are parasitic.

However, one thing about the so-called White Nationalist movement (like Duke, Linder, MuaDib and others on SF, VNN and WNF) is that they spend 24/7 attacking jews, and 0 - that's right - ZIP amount of time promoting their own Culture.

The problem could be - there is no such thing as WHITE CULTURE, or 'The White Race'.

There was at one time.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Now the healing can begin Kane.

What point is this a response too. I made many points in this thread.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

One has to separate between Muslims who condemn Jews over religion and bizarre land squabbles, "white nationalists" who condemn Jews because of what they view (through their limited understanding) as racial reasons and some healthy criticism of the influence of some individual Jews based on behavioral analysis. It doesn't make sense to rush to the defense of legitimately bad Jewish individuals. It doesn't make sense to focus on Jews as a central point of an ideology either. Both approaches not the approach that a level headed person would take.

[Alia]

You have to understand that they have a prefferentiality for their own blood in all matters that would be fine if others were allowed to do it. But no, and again no; they sit in political positions of power and scream for anti-discrimination laws while practicing the worst discrimination themselves. If you ever knew even a single Jew businessman, politician, or producer/director/whatever, you would see that for the kushiest positions, they hire other Jews, while discarding what is oftentimes the best candidate for the job, the best policy, or the best scripts. This is the seat of all objections to Jewry: They prefferentially advance their own while forbidding others to do the same, even precluding such unity in others by the sabotage of culture and family values through the media.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Alia, that is how the world works. I've applied for many jobs and wasn't considered because of "Experience" (code word for age discrimination) or because I didn't know somebody. It isn't just Jews.

Most hiring managers are blatantly nepotistic and hire based on networking connections. I'm sorry but I've got experience with job searching and what works and what doesn't and I'm convinced this is the case. It's not what you know but who you know.

[Alia]

Wrong, discrimination is okay for some, not others. Women are still paid far less than men for the same jobs. Blacks are hired whether they can do the job or not. I have personally seen them with my own eyes, sit and do nothing while everyone else picks up the slack because they know they can't be fired; that office/store/whatever has to have a certain number of black faces, competent or not.

If everyone is allowed to discriminate, fine. If no one is, fine. If some are and others not, well, that ought to make anyone more than pissed.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

In private businesses people are nepotistic. When you get to state jobs then people actually care about affirmative action. But the owner of joe smoe's mom and pop shop down the street is going to hire his/her friends and the big corporation down the road is going to hire big name people from big name schools even if the guy next door is more qualified. It's never merit. It is always who you know rather than what you know.

[Alia]

And in the case of Jews it's other Jews. Always. Not just their friends or people from big universities. Their religion tells them it's okay to discriminate, and they do.

The Mom-and-Pop shop can't do the same. Not if they're run by whites, anyway.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I can tell that you've never had to run an extensive job search in a bad economy if you seriously don't think it is much more difficult without a network, Jewish or not.

[Alia]

I can tell you that I have, and that I do know, and that it isn't the point.

The point is that if whites are forbidden from hiring someone because they're white, why is it allowed that Jews discriminate and favour their own blood? Because they're the ones in power!

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

They're hiring them because they are in the clique and friends. And as I said, most people think of themselves primarily as a member of an ethnic group - Polish, Irish, etc. Not just white. And people do hire their own ethnic group all the time, though they think of it as hiring their friends or neighbors.

[Alia]

White people aren't allowed to do it exclusively at all, and Jews are the only ones that hire by blood, not just "friends" or "clique" - their religion tells them to do it, and they do.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

No offense, but that's bs.

If you lived around Irish Catholics in Philly or Poles in Chicago, you would know that they are ethnically conscious of their particular nationality. Or Italians too.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Alia, it is just that Jews have more power and are more successful at being nepotistic. But there still is Polish day parade in Chicago. There still are Italian restaurants. There still are Irish Catholics who put shamrocks on their birthday cakes. Jews aren't the only "nepotistic" people, they just are positioned in the most potent positions in Hollywood, Politics and Finance whereas a Chinese or Italian nepotist will be running a restaurant small business.

[O'Zebedee]

There still are Italian restaurants. There still are Irish Catholics who put shamrocks on their birthday cakes.

Undeniable truths, kane - once again you've gotten to the heart of the matter.

[Alia]

Alia, it is just that Jews have more power and are more successful at being nepotistic. But there still is Polish day parade in Chicago. There still are Italian restaurants. There still are Irish Catholics who put shamrocks on their birthday cakes. Jews aren't the only "nepotistic" people, they just are positioned in the most potent positions in Hollywood, Politics and Finance whereas a Chinese or Italian nepotist will be running a restaurant small business.

They're only more successful because there's a double standard, which they created.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

I agree that a small group of Jews probably have disproprotionate influence. That criticism may be valid.

The idea that only Jews are aware of their ethnic background, and only Jews do bad things in politics is what I disagree with. Yes a small group of Jews has obtained some influence, but politics as a whole is a corrupt system, with or without Jews.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

They're more successful because they are more secular, more determined, more aggressive and smarter as a whole. I'm not saying there aren't dumb Jews but they're less common.

[Alia]

I agree with you but most politicians are greedy on their own. Jews have organized greed.

Organized Greed > Individual Greed, just as Organized Crime > Individual Crime

If the worst thing a politician ever did was padd his own pockets, we'd be in pretty good shape. But who is at the heart of turning this country over to Mexican immigrants in order to destroy the white vote? I just hope you live to see it. Mark my words, we are going to be their slaves. In a way we already are, but once they destroy the white vote, they won't have to hide behind your debt anymore: You will be their slave in every way.

[Alia]

They're more successful because they are more secular, more determined, more aggressive and smarter as a whole. I'm not saying there aren't dumb Jews but they're less common.

As many good inventions and innovations have come from whites. They're not all that much smarter, not to the degree Asians are. They're more unified, yes more secular, and they're more discriminatory.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

This I guess is what I disagree with you about. "Whites" are a divisible group. The average IQ of a German is almost that of the Jewish average, but the average Russian is nowhere near. And individuals are not equal either.

IMO when you realize that whites are a divisible group with different ethnicities, then Jewish separatness becomes less unique. Their separateness doesn't make them "non-white" and neither do ME roots because Euros have ME roots too, just variation in drift.

Plus Jews are more "Street smart" when it comes to business and that isn't measured in IQ. And street smarts are what matter in politics and banking. Different jobs require different types of intelligence; it isn't enough just to generalize the concept of intelligence.

[Abu Junaid]

In the US were basically raised to love and protect Israel and Jews as if they are our own. The media makes it out like we share a history with Israel, and stand for the same values. While Jews here preach an ultra liberal and tolerant society at home they shoot people in the head and bull doze their homes for being another ethnicity or religion. There are plenty of people in the US who identify with their ancestry like Ireland or Italy, but they see themselves as American first. The Irish never got the US to attack Britain when they were having their problems. Americans are aw shucks golly gee type people for the most part, while the Jews are decisive and calculated. The average American has been bombarded with pro Israeli/Jewish propaganda their entire life in the mainstream media. For an American to get info that is critical of the Israel/Jews has to dig deep for it. The problem is most people don't care to look for or are too lazy, so they go through life thinking the Israel/Jews are just like us. This couldn't be further from the truth, the average American doesn't hold grudges very long, we now have good relations with Japan and Vietnam for example, after we went to war with them. The Jews though hold a blood lust for a 1000 years if they have to. They are just different creatures.

[Alia]

Kane, you can't say on the one hand, that Jews are smarter because their cunning (which I agree they have in excess of whites) isn't measured on IQ tests, but I think it might be. The art of test-taking is actually very cunning-based; sometimes cunning finds you the right answer where raw intellect can't solve the problem.

Besides which, Aryans have an innovative nature which likewise, isn't fully measured by the right/wrong answer nature of a test. Neither Innovation nor Cunning are measured fully by the test.

So what if I'm different from a Russian? I'm closer to a Russian by a large measure than I am to a Jew. So with even a Spaniard, or a Slav.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

"Aryan" is a vague term. To Hitler, Aryans meant nordic or northwestern European.

But in all honesty, the Indo-Aryans probably looked more like Georgians or Iranians and came from Asia to Europe rather than the other way around. And Slavs, being Easterners, have more "aryan" blood than Germans, who have more (relatively) blood from the South. But both are mixed from the East and the South.

But the most innovative people I'd have to say are the Japanese.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

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The point I am making, Alia, is that the people you consider "white" vary quite a bit. And it varies for individuals too. And the people you consider "Jewish" (implying mutual exclusivity) also vary quite a bit.

It isn't really a Black and white system. And, also, racial categories within the Caucasoid race aren't black and white either. It is more of a gradual drift that builds up mile by mile than a line separating Europe from non-Europe. Linguistic barriers play a role and the mediterranean sea does a bit, but genetic drift continues within the continents, not just between the continents. And physical typologies are merely aggregates of common traits.

So generalizing "whites" doesn't make sense when Europe is so big.

[Alia]

What does make sense is drawing a circle around the people who are closest to one's own self. It is the nature of a species to preserve and protect - prefferentially - that which is closest to the individual or community doing the preserving and protecting. Multiculture is unnatural, and it's a Jewish invention.

As far as Aryan, what I meant it when I said it is the same meaning as he said when he meant it. In other words, you know what I mean. Allow one of the greatest world leaders ever to have a bloody neologism. Deny the neologism to people who make up stupid words because their fingers are lazy, like "blog".

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

If ethnic nationalism were to rise in America, the first thing that should happen is that the size of the regime should be reduced and little nations should be created. Until that happens, America is too big to give total favoritism to one group over another imo.

See Buchananites and Sam Francis types advocate a big America. Francis advocates whites in charge and Buchanan advocates paleoconservatism but not explicit racialism.

BUT imo the first thing to do would be to shrink America and allow smaller governments which would then lead to less forced racial tension. While the government should be small, it should still be strong and perhaps communitarian in nature.

[Alia]

I don't want favouritism; I never did. I want there to be no favouritism. All I really want, is the ability to form or move to a de jure all-white community if I so desire. Give the same right to all other ethnicities of course. If a certain People builds a community, even give them the right to declare that only their decendants shall live there.

True Ethnonationalism in America means I go, and the Indians stay.

[some kike]

The point went right over your head. That if Hitler would have simply argued against Communism, and argued that Jews were too Communist, but ignored race, then all those other nations would have been more likely to ally with him against Russia. But instead nations like Britain looked at Hitler and said "he's just as bad as Stalin."

Now in my case, I'm less anti-communist than most nationalists, but that's not the point.

But he had to get the kikes out of power. That wasn't negotiable. (It's not negotiable today, either. Just say no to JOG. Fuck JOG.) As soon as he did that the kikes began to raise hell.

Otherwise, I mostly agree that he fumbled it badly. He was too much of a Germanicist, and that forced him to bite off more than he could chew.

You can't ignore the role of the Britishers either. What nerve they have to accuse the Germans of wanting to control the world when they were the ones sticking their noses in other people's business long before the Americans perfected it. (Kikes left, right and center in both cases, please note.)

How did the French get roped into it? Simple hurt pride from WWI and Franco-Prussian, was that it?

[bardamu]

True Ethnonationalism in America means I go, and the Indians stay.

America did not exist prior to Whites arriving.

[Zed]

Women are still paid far less than men for the same jobs.

False

[Fugasnaya]

Alia, that is how the world works. I've applied for many jobs and wasn't considered because of "Experience" (code word for age discrimination) or because I didn't know somebody. It isn't just Jews.

Most hiring managers are blatantly nepotistic and hire based on networking connections. I'm sorry but I've got experience with job searching and what works and what doesn't and I'm convinced this is the case. It's not what you know but who you know.

Kane, I don't think anyone believes that Jewish discrimination goes on at the entry level. Take a look at the Federal government or the media and try that post again. The Jews lately have been expelling their own kind from positions in Academia if they are insufficiently supportive of the state of Israel. When Ezra Pound used terms like "The Big Jew", "International Kikery" and "Usurocracy" he was not limiting this to people of Jewish extraction. We are fighting a mindset which elite Jews play a very important role in shaping. Jews have and always will be a minority in any host society, they rely upon subversion of innate human tendencies in the name of absolute selfishness and malignant bourgeois vanity. These things spread like a plague through their fiat paper money, poisoning everything it comes into contact with.

The power, the worth of a human individual is measured in their ability to affect social change. You and I and everyone on this forum are basically worthless because of this. This is a major theme of Chomsky, one of his best - though he won't dare say Jew because he knows he'd suffer the same fate as Norman Finkelstein. The elite hold all the power to affect social change, with their fiat Jew dollars and their clandestine networking, facilitated through Jewish Masonry and sundry institutions that are controlled by gatekeepers beholden to Kikery. Open your eyes to the big picture. Jewish culture minus the vultures is so insignificant that nobody cares, that's why it sounds to you like all white nationalists are making wrong headed generalizations.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Kane, I don't think anyone believes that Jewish discrimination goes on at the entry level.
Actually, I would say that Jews still tend to hire other Jews just out of friendship at the entry level and senior level of smaller companies that they create. They think of it as hiring their neighbors, their brothers, their sisters, their students, etc. Not so much as hiring Jews but they happen to associate with other Jews. Senior level employees usually come from the inside.

But I'm just saying everybody does that. Jews, Italians, Poles, Irish, Anglos in the South. It's just the way the world works. If you don't understand that the job market is created 85% by social connection and only 15% by "qualifications," you will be depressed when you try to face it.

And the major giant corporations as opposed to small and mid sized businesses discriminate by the name of the school instead of the social clique. If the employer likes Wharton, then the employer will take a gentle from Wharton over a Jew from Thunderbird, etc. Even though the guy from Thunderbird may be better qualified if you look deeper.

[kane - THE NEXT GENERATION]

Having experienced academia, I may agree with you to an extent but anti-Israel sentiment definitely exists on campuses too. But certainly not in the business world, nobody gives a shit about Jews there. Not even the Jews who hire other Jews. Even they don't think of themselves as "pro-Jewish."'

I actually learned about my first anti-Israel organization (an underground one) through a history professor who gave me extra credit for attending. I think this was 2004. This was before I went on my Zionist binge kick online but I was motivated purely by profit and gain (extra credit), not by ideology. And, in the past, I had seen students pushing norman finkelstein in the hall ways. But I've also seen Israel flags.

[HurriKANE]

Fade, Starr - let's support zionism, but only to get rid of Jews

david duke - let's be against Jews domestically, but also be against zionism

alex linder - let's kill all jews

jared tayor - what jews? They don't exist.

Me and ogenoct - Let's jerk off to zionism because it harms Muslims. Let's admit that Jews were involved in Communism, but say that Communism had good pragmatic effects. In my case, let's also praise the Jewish role in Italian fascism.

Guy white - let's deny Jews were involved in communism and attack anti-Semites.

Chaim ben pesach - let's base zionism off of the torah.

ian jobling, f braun - let's support Jews because we think it improves our image.

Besoshvili - Let's get Jews out of Zionism and into Communism

[Breckinridge Elkins]

I likes mine the best.

Radical Zionism.

Firstly, we pay all Palestinians to leave Israel. Next we take their vacated land and move the rest of the world's Jewry to Israel.

Lastly we export Kane to Madegascar.

[Mandalore]

It does irk me a bit that all the Muslim nations who piss and moan about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians have never offered refuge to them.

[Lighto]

It does irk me a bit that all the Muslim nations who piss and moan about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians have never offered refuge to them.

They wouldn't have something to piss and moan about then. No doubt it plays well locally in Hairybackistan, like farm subsidies in Nebraska do. They need a constant stream of kike misdeeds to placate their ignorant populations, akin to Jerry Lewis needing fried food.

[HurriKANE]

Focusing on the Jews like it's the 1940s and the Communists are about to storm Europe and then take over the world is just retarded.

People who can't adapt to the present times are retarded.

[HurriKANE]

The main cause is capitalism today in the year 2010.

People hate going against capitalism because they associate that with Communism and Fascism. Capitalism is intertwined with liberalism.

Jewish behavior is just a symptom.

[Ernst Kaltenbrunner]

Once again, the problem with this opinion is the clear influence of jews on all western nations. I shouldn't have to spell it out. I've even granted the point that it's not just jews, but they are ideologically and monetarily the driving force behind what's happening to Europe/US/Oz-NZ.

You don't have to go any further than the Chairman of the US Federal Reserve System to know that jews not only regulate and supervise all domestic banking institutions and determine fiscal policy for the US government, but also all banking institutions and government fiscal policy on a global level as well. The name Ben "Shalom" Bernanke should ring quite a few bells.

[Fugasnaya]

The main cause is capitalism today in the year 2010.

People hate going against capitalism because they associate that with Communism and Fascism. Capitalism is intertwined with liberalism.

Jewish behavior is just a symptom.

Jews invented Capitalism. They got some gentiles to help them perfect Monopoly Capitalism. The only monopolies that should even be considered are those associated with national defense (such as Rosoboronexport). A handful of Jews control the entire Capitalist world through their shared ownership of key corporations throughout all segments of the economy. NATO, any future EU defense force and the military forces of all "independent" states allied with Capitalism answer to Jewish Zionists.

Jews pushed Marx and Trotsky's vision of socialism in order to facilitate the vilification of anti-capitalism. When Stalin began to split from their program he was killed and his memory spat upon. Jews financed National Socialism in Germany because they knew what the end result would be. That result is that today most white people and many non-white people are terrified of militant, organized anti-capitalism in any form. They don't realize that there is an alternative to the unjust system we live under because of Jewish propaganda.