Not All Gun Owners Are Patriots

[SteamshipTime]

Originally Posted by Johnson

A post-government America wouldn't last long. This isn't like the third world, where the warlords who promise the most heavenly virgins get the most followers.

The government, among its last official acts, is importing the Third World and in the meantime, whites who believe in the American ideal are failing to reproduce themselves.

If it happens in your lifetime, I think you will be astonished at how organized the pan-Hispanic nationalists will be.

[EinsatzGrenadier]

Originally Posted by Johnson

That's even more distant from the original intentions of the 2nd amendment than any of the other scenarios.

A post-government America wouldn't last long. This isn't like the third world, where the warlords who promise the most heavenly virgins get the most followers. Sure, money is only worth what we decide it's worth, but we have an advantage over countries such as, say, Russia where the natural resources are in the hands of "the state" - our free enterprise system, for better or worse, has placed tangible resources in the hands of people - people who would either step in and stabilize the post-government or otherwise quickly find people to do so.

This type of post government-collapse anarchy people like Lindstedt like to fantasize about is just that - fantasy.

If you're talking about another nation or nation(s) stepping in and trying to take control of the country, well, in this scenario, without a central government (it has theoretically collapsed), do you know how long it would take to conquer a nation this size? Take one state that can be several times bigger or only slightly smaller than any given European nation and you've got 49 more to deal with. If you bring China into the picture, how long would it take for them to move enough troops over for an effective invasion? Who would aid them? Who would help us resist them? Russia? If the invasion force was large enough, petty civilian resistance, even though there are many of us, wouldn't likely hold out very long.

Of course resistance wouldn't last long, but the idea would be to make it look an unappealing venture in the first place. At least you'll be in position to negotiate. Look at the Soviets in Afghanistan, they had tanks and Hind-Ds whereas Mujahadeen had bolt-action Lee-Enfields. They didn't really stop the Soviets in their tracks, but they never stopped fighting and dying. Take Texas, who's going to want to move around the countryside telling people they no longer own their land?

Governments can collapse. Look at the Provisional government that took over Russia. The Bolsheviks took that over quickly.

Who's to say what the intent of the 2nd Amendment was. The point is to keep it. You're more free if you're able to own weapons, no doubt. If I had a colony, I wouldn't want my subjects to have weapons.

[FreeWhiteMan]

Originally Posted by SteamshipTime

She won't post a current pic, even on takimag. She's also a tad intense for a woman in her 40's.

How old is the face shot she used at LRC? She looks pretty worn out in that shot.

[SteamshipTime]

Originally Posted by FreeWhiteMan

How old is the face shot she used at LRC? She looks pretty worn out in that shot.

She could get it professionally done and look a lot better. Bear in mind too, most women her age are obese and bitching about how men just won't love them for "their true selves." And Lord knows I wouldn't hold up under the same scanning-electron-microscope-standard myself.

[APOCALYPTO]

That's a BAR she is holding, what a light mg that was.
Should be legal for all good Americans without the BS of the .gov mother-may-I.

What's with the hard nipple?

Good shape for a gal of such advanced years.

[Fugasnaya]

Originally Posted by APOCALYPTO

That's a BAR she is holding, what a light mg that was.
Should be legal for all good Americans without the BS of the .gov mother-may-I.

What's with the hard nipple?

Good shape for a gal of such advanced years.

I always thought she looked kind of like a female Gary Busey based on her head shot, not in a bad way though, but she really is gorgeous. Any man who can't appreciate a toned, opinionated and intelligent woman shouldering a rifle should get his testosterone levels checked. Women like that are a rare treat, I don't think anyone needs to worry about the majority of females going butch because of their example.

[APOCALYPTO]

Originally Posted by SteamshipTime

The government, among its last official acts, is importing the Third World and in the meantime, whites who believe in the American ideal are failing to reproduce themselves.

If it happens in your lifetime, I think you will be astonished at how organized the pan-Hispanic nationalists will be.

A simple prison/street gang effectively took control of Sao Paulo Brazil a huge metropolis. Look at the cartels in Mexico.

There are well over a million street gang members in the U.S.

The favelas in Brazil are NO GO ZONES for the police, only the special BOPE can go in there and that is not that often unless accompanied by the military.

In the United States, the use of SWAT teams has increased from 3,000 deployments a year in the 1980s to 50,000 a year in 2006.

We have seen in Texas police acting like Federales, shaking down civilians, bribes for not being arrested etc.

Hardcore Whites, Nazi tough, will survive the coming storm but the average White is way too soft for this action.

[Iconoclast]

Originally Posted by Johnson

Substitute tanks for aircraft, attack helicopters, automatic weapons, body armor, armored personnel carriers, pay checks - the point still stands.

If you think the US military could put down a serious, widespread citizen uprising, then you clearly don't understand the difference between guerrilla warfare and a conventional conflict.

Did you happen to notice how difficult and expensive it was for the military to pacify Iraq? Doing the same thing all across the US would be at least 100 times harder and more expensive. In fact, it would absolutely bankrupt the government.

Snipers, IED makers, and other assassins of government personnel and collaborators would be scattered across the land. Helicopters and tanks can't be everywhere at once (nor are they much good in urban or wooded areas), so the resisters would simply strike when they weren't around. The homes of soldiers and police, as well as any businesses that supplied the government, would be burned down in the middle of the night. The economy and infrastructure on which the government completely depends for its operation would collapse.

Here's an older essay on the topic:

http://www.lizmichael.com/armedrev.htm

I don't expect any of this to happen soon, of course. First of all, very few people in the US feel that they're being oppressed. And to an extent they're right -- government abuses do occur, but only a very small fraction of the population is being seriously victimized at this time. (Most people who want to break unjust laws against victimless crimes can get away with it.) In addition, many American gun owners are patriotards who never take the penises of "our troops" out of their mouths. Even more Americans are just plain cowardly.

Nevertheless, the obsolescence of the Second Amendment is a myth. Guns in the hands of citizens are no more obsolete than those in the hands of the police and military. And on an individual level, the armed citizen can make it much more dangerous for the government to bully him, and/or he can use his arms to get revenge for such bullying.

[Hermanric and Horse]

http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

IX. The Lessons of Athens

Those who took up arms in Athens, Tennessee:

* wanted honest elections, a cornerstone of our Constitutional order;
* had repeatedly tried to get Federal or State election monitors;
* used armed force so as to minimize harm to the law-breakers;
* showed little malice to the defeated law-breakers;
* restored lawful government.

The Battle of Athens clearly shows:

* how Americans can and should lawfully use armed force;
* why the Rule of Law requires unrestricted access to firearms;
* how civilians with military-type firearms can beat the forces of "law and order".

[Draco]

Originally Posted by EinsatzGrenadier

That's why you don't buy guns to fight the government. You buy them so that when the government collapses, you can fight anyone else trying to take power.

You get it. Just substitute power for food though.